***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I was referring to the protests about haircuts...good to spin it though.

Spin it? I’ve been very clear what my argument is. I’m not spinning anything.

You sure are deflecting from the overall point though.

This always was a political issue for you guys and you tried your hardest to pretend it wasn’t, but this situation has put you up against the wall and there’s no running from the truth now.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No,

But it's just a guess honestly. The lockdown in my estimation was a wasted effort considering some of the serology studies coming back.

Many more people were infected than we even knew about. So while I don't think it was effective, it not because it COULDN'T have been. But more along the lines is it was implemented months to late in my own estimation.

That being said, we will be able to compare and contrast soon enough.

Of course it's a guess, because it didn't happen. But we do have the estimates of deaths with mitigation, and without. And that estimate has been proven to be accurate.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

Regardless. People have been shamed nationwide for not complying. Nobody is being shamed now. It's not being talked about by msm at all and, while protesting that blatant miscarriage of justice would be noble IN ANY OTHER TIME, we're amid a pandemic. We either social distance or we don't. I'm an atheist, but my family is Catholic, Lutheran, or Christian and they can't attend church, but Walmart, the dope shops, abortion clinics, and now protesting is fair game.

My RFAs have been put on hold for 3 months. I'm in severe neurological pain but was told I didn't matter, but Suzy B Cumguzzler can muffle her indiscretion? GTFO

Actually protesting NOW is acceptable, but weeks ago in Michigan and other places was highly scorned for being irresponsible and selfish.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I was referring to the protests about haircuts...good to spin it though.

Yeah the difference is most people don't burn down the place when they get their hair cut. Other than that......

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Actually protesting NOW is acceptable, but weeks ago in Michigan and other places was highly scorned for being irresponsible and selfish.

Exactly. And we are supposed to just play along and pretend that never happened because things.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Do you think that the mitigation efforts have lead to fewer infections and deaths than if we hadn't?

I didn't say it didn't. I said the inconsistency and biasness is absurd

I do believe if China hadn't lied and the WHO hadn't delayed calling this a pandemic that we may have. Perhaps not sending sick people to crowded nursing homes, telling us not to wear masks, and politicizing this.

Do you believe Nancy and Cuomo telling Cali/NY to "come on down!" or stating "the only virus Americans need to worry about is Trumpism" had its intended effect? Dude, Fox news blasted msm for weeks for blowing this off. Orange man, stupidly, listened to his advisors until it was too late.

That said, the WHO and ALL other parties involved, including the Donald, really dropped the ball on this one. It took a team effort to let it get this bad.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Actually protesting NOW is acceptable, but weeks ago in Michigan and other places was highly scorned for being irresponsible and selfish.

FALSE EQUIVALENCE

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah the difference is most people don't burn down the place when they get their hair cut. Other than that......

He’s being disingenuous to the point that he’s pretending that a lot of it wasn’t about people wanting to get back to work to support their families.

Wanting to support your family? Not ok.

Using a tragedy as an opportunity to loot and destroy communities? Totally fine.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you think using those terms to describe people make you a better person?

Posted on chiefsplanet.com no less. No, it doesn't, and I apologise for that childishness.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The virus distinguishes partisan differences?

Is this peer reviewed?

Or is it that righteous anger releases viral inhibitors?

School us on the science of the degrees of difference regarding morality and purpose as it relates to distancing and viral transmission.

The type of person virtue signaling during the rioting is the same type of person who would virtue signal against people not taking the virus seriously enough for their liking. So what it shows me is just how brainwashed that segment of the population is and they never cared about coronavirus at all but they sure did make you sure you heard how upset they were that you didn’t social distance enough and has the audacity to go to the park. Media tells them to sit and they say for how long.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Naptown Chief

I didn't say it didn't. I said the inconsistency and biasness is absurd

I do believe if China hadn't lied and the WHO hadn't delayed calling this a pandemic that we may have. Perhaps not sending sick people to crowded nursing homes, telling us not to wear masks, and politicizing this.

Do you believe Nancy and Cuomo telling Cali/NY to "come on down!" or stating "the only virus Americans need to worry about is Trumpism" had its intended effect? Dude, Fox news blasted msm for weeks for blowing this off. Orange man, stupidly, listened to his advisors until it was too late.

That said, the WHO and ALL other parties involved, including the Donald, really dropped the ball on this one. It took a team effort to let it get this bad.

You said it was idiocy. I didn't see your edit.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Of course it's a guess, because it didn't happen. But we do have the estimates of deaths with mitigation, and without. And that estimate has been proven to be accurate.

That being said we don't know if the inverse would have been the same or worse. Because it would just be a guess. But again I don't know, and everything I've seen points to maybe the virus is burning out faster than we thought.

o.city posted something about it this morning

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

That being said we don't know if the inverse would have been the same or worse. Because it would just be a guess. But again I don't know, and everything I've seen points to maybe the virus is burning out faster than we thought.

o.city posted something about it this morning

The same model that accurately predicted 100,000+ deaths with mitigation predicted over a million without.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by O.city

I guess we have a pretty good study to see how large gatherings will fare and if we can have football games this fall with fans.

Results should be in here in about 2/3 weeks.

No way. I actually don’t expect too much of a bump in cases but that will be attributed to the warmer weather. But as soon as the rioting goes away and fall comes back, the same outlets will be all over coronavirus again, manufacturing outrage, and demanding distancing, shutdowns, etc. Make no mistake about it.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by Donger

You said it was idiocy. I didn't see your edit.

I edited (almost) immediately. Your response was pretty quick, so in guessing it was during my edit