***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Jesus Christ

Not until you little weirdos down here stop shoving your penises in each other's assholes or until you cancel The View.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

http://archive.is/cloVY#selection-1685.0-1693.323
WHO has resumed studies of hydroxychloroquine btw............

After they realized the Study published by Two of the world’s leading medical journals – the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published studies based on Surgisphere data. The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.

The World Health Organization and a number of national governments have changed their Covid-19 policies and treatments on the basis of flawed data from a little-known US healthcare analytics company, also calling into question the integrity of key studies published in some of the world’s most prestigious medical journals.
A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.


PAGING HAMAS!!!!!

Your link didn't work, but I read up on this a little bit ago.

I think the biggest question that is raised is their info on hospitalizations in the US, wherein they claim somewhere around 65k hospitalizations as part of the study when there were only around 65k who had been hospitalized total at that point. That does not seem possible, although they claim to have captured data past April 13.

This is what the peer review process should uncover. I do think they need to be fully candid and release the info on where they got their data from.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

A new study in NEJM about hydroxychloroquine for post-exposure prophylaxis of COVID-19.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...elated_article

People (almost all healthcare workers) who were in close contact with known cases were either given hydroxychloroquine or placebo.

We included participants who had household or occupational exposure to a person with confirmed Covid-19 at a distance of less than 6 ft for more than 10 minutes while wearing neither a face mask nor an eye shield (high-risk exposure) or while wearing a face mask but no eye shield (moderate-risk exposure).

The biggest issue I'd have with this trial is that the drugs (hydroxychloroquine or placebo) were mailed to the patients (who were randomized and double-blinded). As it was not done in clinic, it's difficult to ascertain if people actually took all of the drugs, but as they were double-blind, patients would be no less likely to take the placebo or the active drug and would stop due to side effects.

Full adherence to the trial intervention differed according to trial group, with 75.4% of participants in the hydroxychloroquine group (312 of 414) and 82.6% of those in the placebo group (336 of 407) having taken all 19 prescribed tablets over a period of 5 days (P=0.01)

However, the trial was fully powered (had a sufficient sample size).

Findings:

The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between those receiving hydroxychloroquine (49 of 414 [11.8%]) and those receiving placebo (58 of 407 [14.3%]) (P=0.35). The absolute difference was −2.4 percentage points (95% confidence interval, −7.0 to 2.2).

As the confidence interval spanned 0 and the p> 0.05, there was no benefit from taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent COVID-19 after initial exposure.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That's alarmingly accurate from the stories I've heard.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I thought the 14 day thing had been debunked and is now like 11 days?

Last I read it was on average like 5 days to symptoms but could be up to 14? Kind thinking the 14 is an outlier and it's more in the 6-8 day range?

We'll find out soon enough.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Last I read it was on average like 5 days to symptoms but could be up to 14? Kind thinking the 14 is an outlier and it's more in the 6-8 day range?

We'll find out soon enough.

Okay so what I was thinking of is I guess it's after 11 days you are no longer "infectious" after getting sick

https://www.foxnews.com/science/covi...r-getting-sick

[petegz28]

And for what I was referring to yesterday about lower lows was this..

[lewdog]

My antibody test was “inconclusive” and they’ll likely test me again.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

My antibody test was “inconclusive” and they’ll likely test me again.

Very interesting. We know you had it and you get that. I was sick as **** and my antibody came back negative which it may be but with yours coming back that way I way I am curious.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

My antibody test was “inconclusive” and they’ll likely test me again.

You had very mild symptoms IIRC?

I would imagine you cleared it without needing an adaptive response.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

You had very mild symptoms IIRC?

I would imagine you cleared it without needing an adaptive response.

English...what are you saying? That lew is so bad ass he killed the virus and didn't even have to create an antibody to do it?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

English...what are you saying? That lew is so bad ass he killed the virus and didn't even have to create an antibody to do it?

We have innate immune responses and adaptive. Adaptive being b cells creating antibodies. Innate being t cells and NKC that usually wipe out a lot of lesser diseases and such that we never really know we had them.

It's been a while since immunology and virology, but IIRC, even when you use the innate response and don't need the antibodies, you develop some memory b cells that will help with future infections of a recognized antigen.

Again, it's been a while so I may be off ther.

[Rausch]

Not sure if Q.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...gn-manipulati/

Australian researchers see virus design manipulation

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

As the confidence interval spanned 0 and the p> 0.05, there was no benefit from taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent COVID-19 after initial exposure.

My largest complaint with this "controversy" was the idea that using it as a possible treatment was dangerous or deadly.

Physicians are aware (competent one's anyway) of who should or shouldn't be allowed to take the drug and the well known dangers as they relate to heart health. This drug was not proven to be a cure or even a treatment just an experimental one.

IMO both the prospects and the dangers of this drug were overblown cause "muh politics."

[Fish]

Kansas City area has 3rd consecutive day of triple-digit rise in new COVID-19 cases

The metro gained 133 cases Thursday. Seventy-one of the cases were in Kansas City, 20 were in Jackson County, 24 were in Johnson County, 12 were in Wyandotte County, four were in Clay County and two were in Platte County.

The positive test rate ranges from 2.11% in Clay County to 3.96% in Jackson County, 4% in Johnson County, 4.01% in Kansas City and 15.9% in Wyandotte County. The Platte County Health Department does not list this data.