***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[eDave]

Originally Posted by loochy

You could, just to be a dick....or you could just wear it because it's an easy thing to do

Agreed. Just pointing out the gaping loophole. Maybe. I don't even know of a religion that forbids it and doubt a Circle K clerk would even know of the loophole. They were very strong in their denial of me. I just left, went home and found a bandana and went back. No big but we will surely see some vids of people being dicks over this and it will be the usual suspects.

[Baby Lee]

Amazing how much 'better' some posters are at 'being coy' about their politicization of this thread.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Casinos...now there's something that has no need to be in operation right now. Good lord.

Damn near essential out here. And as an aside, and I don't know if any of the revenue generated goes to the Indian community, their community is not receiving any relief like the rest of us. Lot's of fundraisers out here to help support them. They've been hit hard due to living conditions forced upon them. Being open helps them. But I'm not coming from a very knowledgeable position on this.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Amazing how much 'better' some posters are at 'being coy' about their politicization of this thread.

I for one find it enlightening and informative that this country is doing good because of politicians messaging. They were doomed without it.

https://www.nationsonline.org/maps/iceland-map.jpg

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Casinos...now there's something that has no need to be in operation right now. Good lord.

I have been to hollywood and argosy 4 times now. 25 percent wearing masks. No one cleans the machines and you don't have to have your temp taken anymore.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Everyone could use a good laugh about now.

I would do open mics pretty hard at one point and one time Mike Baldwin came out with a timer to show how much time he has and rests it on a stool and off the cuff he got more laughs about setting up the timer than I got in like 10 years of comedy. ALL THAT AND HE STILL MOSTLY LIVED OUT OF A VAN. That made me stick to my 9-5 and just be a water cooler comedian. He did get to meet rob thomas.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I for one find it enlightening and informative that this country is doing good because of politicians messaging. They were doomed without it.

https://www.nationsonline.org/maps/iceland-map.jpg

Thanks Guðni Th. Jóhannesson [/s, lest mods miss my coy elan]

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Amazing how much 'better' some posters are at 'being coy' about their politicization of this thread.

If only there wasn't a plethora of data that shows that clear, direct messaging with an acknowledgement of the reality of disease and side effects leads to increased adherence and lower readmission rates for patients with all manner of maladies.

That's, literally, the entire point behind patient education.

Countries that engage in that model have better succeeded at containing this virus. Those that deny its virulence or that they have a problem at all have failed miserably. That's not a political argument any more than saying that Lasix reduces your potassium is a political argument, but if you engage it on terms that is political, you don't have to confront the data.

[Kiimo]

Without leadership how would we know to inject bleach

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Without leadership how would we know to inject bleach

Thanks, Proctor and Gamble.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Thanks, Proctor and Gamble.

The population of the US is 330 million
The population of the EU is 446 million

[source https://t.co/JtQgQFMvj9] pic.twitter.com/DAVWfkIW15

— Max Roser (@MaxCRoser) June 16, 2020

Leadership and freedom

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

freedom

Yeah, pretty much. You're free to go hide in Belgium if you wish.

[Kiimo]

Belgium is awesome and I'd certainly prefer to be there during this shit.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Donger

33,539 new cases yesterday. Yay. Morons.

How many MILLION of those will die?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

How many MILLION of those will die?

Is that the number of deaths that piques your interest/concern for some reason?