***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Unable to pull up the article. Anybody care to give me the readers digest version?

Serology tests may be undercounting the number of people who have been infected.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Unable to pull up the article. Anybody care to give me the readers digest version?

From the article.

Our results indicate that epidemiological data relying only on the detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies may lead to a substantial underestimation of prior exposure to the virus

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Deaths are at 344 on Worldomoters today.

285 reported via cdc

2 straight days under 300 so that’s nice

[dirk digler]

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly said Covid-19 spread is trending upward in the state.

"The three metrics we use for reopening are disease spread, death, and hospitalization. Unfortunately for the first time in a while, our disease spread is trending upward," Kelly said in a news conference Monday.

She added: "Therefore, it is my recommendation, along with officials over at the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, that communities in Kansas stay in phase three of Ad Astra reopening plan."

Kansas reported an increase of 406 Covid-19 cases since Friday, bringing the total of cases to 12,465, with 259 deaths in the state.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

From the article.

I wonder if this would explain the dramatic drop in death rate after opening up.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly said Covid-19 spread is trending upward in the state.

"The three metrics we use for reopening are disease spread, death, and hospitalization. Unfortunately for the first time in a while, our disease spread is trending upward," Kelly said in a news conference Monday.

She added: "Therefore, it is my recommendation, along with officials over at the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, that communities in Kansas stay in phase three of Ad Astra reopening plan."

Kansas reported an increase of 406 Covid-19 cases since Friday, bringing the total of cases to 12,465, with 259 deaths in the state.

Why are the cases trending upwards? This is an important piece of information that very few states seem to want to comment on. At least the Florida medical community came out and gave a hypothesis about it and had some data to back it up.

Saying "welp- our cases are up, guess we need to stop moving forward" doesn't cut it for me. Sorry.

[TinyEvel]

Woke up feeling like crap. nausea, unusually low temperature (96.0) chills, yawning like crazy, runny nose, fatigue. Called to see if I should get tested for the Covids. Didn't pass the screening. I guess you have to be a first responder or high risk person otherwise it takes shortness of breath, high fever/aches and or cough, or been exposed to a known carrier to qualify for a test here in Northern CA. Wife is very high risk (breathing issues) so I wanted one. I guess I could find a back alley tester and roll up with cash?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why are the cases trending upwards? This is an important piece of information that very few states seem to want to comment on.

Because we all re-opened a month to soon. We should have all been lockdown until after Memorial day at least. The protests I am sure didn't help either. Shit I just read a story that labs are still facing critical supply and PPE shortages. What a cluster**** by the leadership of this country\states.

[TLO]

I mean FFS... If you think it's because people are morons and don't social distance, say that. If you think it's because people aren't wearing masks, say that. If you think it's because the number of tests has gone up and many more mild cases are being diagnosed, say that.

Leaving people in the dark is bullshit.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know if you are trying to be clever but again that insinuates that it is a death sentence to everyone and it is not.

The black and white argument bullshit has to stop. It can be deadly to certain individuals. It is not deadly to most. For ****'s sake most people who get the virus don't even know they have it!

So we can't pretend that if you get this you are going to die or lew would be dead and he isn't.

On the other hand we can't pretend that this cannot be deadly to certain individuals as well.

I didn't say or mean any of that.

Someone: It's deadly.
Someone else: It's deadly to .02% of the population.
You: .03% based on those who have already died from it.


It's obviously deadly to more people than have already died from it, or else no one else would die from it and we'd go back to normal.

That number is (statistically) much higher than 0.03% of the population, while also being much lower than the actual number of people who will die from it in the future.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly said Covid-19 spread is trending upward in the state.

"The three metrics we use for reopening are disease spread, death, and hospitalization. Unfortunately for the first time in a while, our disease spread is trending upward," Kelly said in a news conference Monday.

She added: "Therefore, it is my recommendation, along with officials over at the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, that communities in Kansas stay in phase three of Ad Astra reopening plan."

Kansas reported an increase of 406 Covid-19 cases since Friday, bringing the total of cases to 12,465, with 259 deaths in the state.

Again, it would be helpful if we had some substance behind the message. Where did the cases come from? Asymptomatic? That sort of stuff. I know the Chic-Fil-A in Lenexa had I think 10 or so people test positive. Maybe more. All we got was "they were symptomatic". So what does that mean? They were all sick as **** and being dumb asses and going to work? Or there symptoms were so mild they were hardly noticed or confused for allergies?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Because we all re-opened a month to soon. We should have all been lockdown until after Memorial day at least. The protests I am sure didn't help either. Shit I just read a story that labs are still facing critical supply and PPE shortages. What a cluster**** by the leadership of this country\states.

Obviously closing down helped limit the spread, but it wasn't sustainable indefinitely. I don't know how much of a difference another month was going to make.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I didn't say or mean any of that.

Someone: It's deadly.
Someone else: It's deadly to .02% of the population.
You: .03% based on those who have already died from it.


It's obviously deadly to more people than have already died from it, or else no one else would die from it and we'd go back to normal.

That number is (statistically) much higher than 0.03% of the population, while also being much lower than the actual number of people who will die from it in the future.

Me? All Me was doing was showing out the .02% of the population number was derived. Nothing more.

If your point is more people will die from then this then that is captioning the obvious.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why are the cases trending upwards? This is an important piece of information that very few states seem to want to comment on. At least the Florida medical community came out and gave a hypothesis about it and had some data to back it up.

Saying "welp- our cases are up, guess we need to stop moving forward" doesn't cut it for me. Sorry.

I'm not sure how hypotheses in absence of supporting data really help anything. If they don't know, they don't know.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

I mean FFS... If you think it's because people are morons and don't social distance, say that. If you think it's because people aren't wearing masks, say that. If you think it's because the number of tests has gone up and many more mild cases are being diagnosed, say that.

Leaving people in the dark is bullshit.

I'm with you, bro.