***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

It's a mix, the states that have protesting with basically no or few restrictions are being hit far worse though.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

That isn't what I asked you. I'll try again:

Do you disagree with this?

Yes, of course it's both. The virus doesn't care about "causes." It just wants a host.

I wasn't asking you about masks.

Yes and no,

Because lets be generous and say "Bar Hoping" contributed 10% of new cases and 90% came from protests.........

Clearly both options are "bad", one has a higher scaling factor. Which in turn leads to more metric tons of "bad" than the other.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

Are all the places/cities which had large protests/riots seeing outbreaks like in Texas, Florida, Arizona and California?

Minneapolis, for example?

I continue to be surprised that Denver (and Colorado) continue to show steady declines. Not just because of the protests, but because I feel like people are getting quite a bit more lax with their social distancing efforts.

Even so, people on here talk about mask wearing being like 10-20% in their areas, and it's probably more like 70-80% (in retail stores) here.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It’s both. It was terrible that hundreds to thousands of people gathered to protest here for 3 weeks, shortly after the state reopened. Combine the protests with people going out and you’ve got 4+ weeks of bad decisions leading AZ to this very spot with no further beds available.

Wait, are you trying to say there could be multiple causes? Now I'm confused.


And for Arizona, the timing was just before Memorial Day, too.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Donger

Of course it's both. But they won't acknowledge that because agenda.

Not sure why... it's a strange thing to try to be "right" about, when no one will probably ever know for sure.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Yes and no,

Because lets be generous and say "Bar Hoping" contributed 10% of new cases and 90% came from protests.........

Clearly both options are "bad", one has a higher scaling factor. Which in turn leads to more metric tons of "bad" than the other.

Please present your data/evidence that 90% of these spikes has been caused by the protests.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not sure why... it's a strange thing to try to be "right" about, when no one will probably ever know for sure.

Because it is 1000% reeruned to try to equate 10-50 of people getting together in a bar to 100,000+ of people getting together to protest.....

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I continue to be surprised that Denver (and Colorado) continue to show steady declines. Not just because of the protests, but because I feel like people are getting quite a bit more lax with their social distancing efforts.

Even so, people on here talk about mask wearing being like 10-20% in their areas, and it's probably more like 70-80% (in retail stores) here.

Pot smoke? Altitude?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Because it is 1000% reeruned to try to equate 10's of people getting together in a bar to 10,000s of people getting together to protest.....

The issue is in the cities that are lax where both can be done. Then it's easier for people from those crowds to give it to everyone else.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Because it is 1000% reeruned to try to equate 10-50 of people getting together in a bar to 100,000+ of people getting together to protest.....

Do these cities only have one bar/club/restaurant?

Idiot.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Pot smoke? Altitude?

Would be my guess, ****ing Donkeys have all the advantages and still suck

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not sure why... it's a strange thing to try to be "right" about, when no one will probably ever know for sure.

I know why.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Do these cities only have one bar/club/restaurant?

Idiot.

What a complete miss. Are you really ****ing this dense........

Just mathematically you couldn't fit everyone that showed up to the protests in all the city bars. (fire code bitch)

STOP BEING A ****ING IDIOT

[Donger]

Just one example:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...he-coronavirus

As the U.S. begins to open back up, coronavirus clusters — where multiple people contract COVID-19 at the same event or location — are popping up all over the country. And despite drawing massive crowds, protests against police violence and racial injustice in Washington state weren't among those clusters.

"We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease."

For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14.

"So that one event spread to 29 people and 31 related employers," Lautenbach says. "Our challenge is to continue to trace as it moves through families, as it moves through workplaces and as it moves through social events as well."

But protests just aren't spreading the disease in the same way, Lautenbach says.

"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

What a complete miss. Are you really ****ing this dense........

Just mathematically you couldn't fit everyone that showed up to the protests in all the city bars. (fire code bitch)

STOP BEING A ****ING IDIOT

Please present your data/evidence that 90% of these spikes has been caused by the protests.