***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This thread got kind of hilarious all of a sudden. Man...who would have thought that a piece of cloth could spawn such vitriol.

You aren't that surprised though. Look who's doing the complaining..

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

So here's a question i have that i haven't seen discussed much, or maybe i just missed the discussion.

On average the number of deaths from pneumonia is somewhere around 55k in the US but according to the link below we are already over 111k this year. Does that mean we have a ton of deaths misdiagnosed as pneumonia when they were actually Covid. Making the total number of deaths closer to 160k?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ia-and-flu-us/

There are certainly some deaths that haven’t been counted, but there are also some that have been counted that shouldn’t have. Ultimately when everything is settled, there will be analysis of excess deaths that will illuminate the true impact.

Currently, excess deaths analysis says the number is between 111K and 154K depending on the level of conservatism you want to inject.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

A lot of cases have been spread by people living within the same household.

You don't say!?!!?!?!

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BWillie

You don't say!?!!?!?!

24/7 mask wearing would have prevented that, right?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by BWillie

You don't say!?!!?!?!

Next he'll be telling us that a lot of cases have been spread by people in the same workplace.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

24/7 mask wearing would have prevented that, right?

Assuming they wear the mask while doing the horizontal mambo with the spouse, yes.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

24/7 mask wearing would have prevented that, right?

If residents of the household all wore masks when they left the house, yes. Definitely could have prevented it. But I mean who gives a shit about preventing something that has killed more Americans than WW1, The Vietnam War, 9/11, and Desert Storm combined. I mean, who gives a shit if they aren't killed by a country or war we can see amirite?

[lewdog]

Refrigerator trucks are positioned outside major hospitals in Phoenix.

NYC 2.0 here.

Didn’t think we’d get to this. Very sad.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Refrigerator trucks are positioned outside major hospitals in Phoenix.

NYC 2.0 here.

Didn’t think we’d get to this. Very sad.

Be positive, you ain't quite there yet. Remember, NY had 1,000+ people a day dying. Let's hope you don't get close to that.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Be positive, you ain't quite there yet. Remember, NY had 1,000+ people a day dying. Let's hope you don't get close to that.

It’s not about touching their death count (We won’t due to lower population), it’s about hospitals being maxed to capacity that we have a need for body trucks in the parking lot. That’s just so disheartening to see when you work in healthcare. I’ve seen lots of people die in front of me, but a makeshift morgue in parking lots just feels different.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It’s not about touching their death count (We won’t due to lower population), it’s about hospitals being maxed to capacity that we have a need for body trucks in the parking lot. That’s just so disheartening to see when you work in healthcare. I’ve seen lots of people die in front of me, but a makeshift morgue in parking lots just feels different.

My point was lets hope your death count doesn't start shooting up.

[neech]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Refrigerator trucks are positioned outside major hospitals in Phoenix.

NYC 2.0 here.

Didn’t think we’d get to this. Very sad.

Funeral home stocks have to be soaring right now.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It’s not about touching their death count (We won’t due to lower population), it’s about hospitals being maxed to capacity that we have a need for body trucks in the parking lot. That’s just so disheartening to see when you work in healthcare. I’ve seen lots of people die in front of me, but a makeshift morgue in parking lots just feels different.

JFC, hang in there... hopefully all of the dipshits out there start cooperating to slow this down.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by neech

Funeral home stocks have to be soaring right now.

Those will be delayed and deceased put on ice. Well except George Floyd I guess he had about 5.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

24/7 mask wearing would have prevented that, right?

.....do you actually think this is what the order means?

In the words of Andy Dufresne, why are you being so obtuse?