***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Lags 6 weeks or more? No.

Several weeks seems to be the norm.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Lags 6 weeks or more? No.

My daughter works in a Covid unit in a major KC hospital and they have had patients last 6 weeks - 2 months in the ICU then die. You can keep people alive on vents for a long time.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Several weeks seems to be the norm.

Yes

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

My daughter works in a Covid unit in a major KC hospital and they have had patients last 6 weeks - 2 months in the ICU then die. You can keep people alive on vents for a long time.

Those are what we call outliers.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I hope it stays that way as well but from the very beginning everybody says deaths lags by weeks. That is why the recovered number barely goes down because it takes a long time to either die or recover. The people that are dying today got infected a month ago.

Come Aug 1 we should have a better idea of those positive cases that has happened in the last couple of weeks.

14-15 days is 2 weeks. I am not saying there aren't people who hang on longer only to die. We know that happens. But 6 weeks is not the norm. But it just seems like when the data doesn't support an argument people like to say "just wait 2 more weeks". And in general it takes a lot longer to recover "officially" than it does to die. The recovered number has done nothing but go up and is currently at it's highest levels of recovered\deaths. And that's with several states not even reporting recoveries such as Kansas.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

What's another 10 or 20 years, anyway...

Hell yeah. Everyone makes it to 100 these days.

[neech]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Someone grab the crayons.

You're holding onto them.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Ah so when the media encourages "protests" but bashes an outdoor country music concert, for reasons other than it's country music, they aren't a part of it all?

I don't necessarily disagree with your post but let's not pretend that our media and some of our leaders choose to bash certain things while turning a blind eye to others when both are tantamount to the same thing that we are all supposed to be afraid of.

The telling thing here is there was no way the media could have stopped any one of the protests. On the other hand, there's been a few mass gatherings that one person, one single person could have said the word and cancelled them. And yet you don't seem to bother to mention them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stumppy

The telling thing here is there was no way the media could have stopped any one of the protests. On the other hand, there's been a few mass gatherings that one person, one single person could have said the word and cancelled them. And yet you don't seem to bother to mention them.

No, the media could not have stopped them. But they could have railed against them and did the exact opposite of encouraging them. But we are getting on a tangent not suited for this thread.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Hell yeah. Everyone makes it to 100 these days.

Watching an old relative die at their side: If only we had more time with you.

Watching an old relative die of Covid via webcam: Well, better you than me. At least I'm young.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Watching an old relative die at their side: If only we had more time with you.

Watching an old relative die of Covid via webcam: Well, better you than me. At least I'm young.

Straw man......

That is not what he is saying and you know that.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, the media could not have stopped them. But they could have railed against them and did the exact opposite of encouraging them. But we are getting on a tangent not suited for this thread.

So, why don't you just drop your crusade against the media then. We all know where it comes from.

[lewdog]

Deaths lag case spikes by about a month. People usually don’t develop the severe respiratory issues until days 7-10. After which they need hospital care around the 2 week mark in many cases. Ventilator use is averaging 15+ days for those needing it from COVID. And Vents can keep people alive a long time, even if the end result is death. This timeline presents increased death numbers to follow 4-6 weeks post positive case spikes. Currently in AZ, 10% of diagnosed positive cases are needing hospital care.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Watching an old relative die at their side: If only we had more time with you.

Watching an old relative die of Covid via webcam: Well, better you than me. At least I'm young.

Diseases are real and we don't live forever. We could save more lives every day if we stripped away freedoms but we don't.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stumppy

So, why don't you just drop your crusade against the media then. We all know where it comes from.

No.....