***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[eDave]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I question whether the 88 deaths is not another reporting lag. Why? Here are the reported deaths by date of death straight off the Arizona dashboard.

June 24 18
June 25 16
June 27 17
June 28 9
June 29 4
June 30 3

Grand total for SEVEN days of 78 deaths.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=37227

Possibly some remaining from Monday's blunder.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I question whether the 88 deaths is not another reporting lag. Why? Here are the reported deaths by date of death straight off the Arizona dashboard.

June 24 18
June 25 16
June 27 17
June 28 9
June 29 4
June 30 3

Grand total for SEVEN days of 78 deaths.

Missed the June 26th, which had 11 deaths.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, given NYC was still a week or two away from shit hitting the fan, and still being in the early stages of figuring out how contagious it was, and dumbasses hoarding toilet paper.... they didn't want the dumbasses to hoard masks, too.

That said, I don't like the bolded comment at all. He's perfectly on point by saying "it's not providing the perfect protection that people think it is", in this black and white world. Like someone posted last night, masks aren't perfect, social distancing isn't perfect, etc... but, there's at least some value in each of those things.

Saying there's no reason and it's not perfect is just as black and white as most people make things out to be, so you're giving people with black & white reasoning some black & white reasons not to do something, instead of a little education on how a mask could help, but perhaps isn't required at the time.

At that time they didn't know that droplet was probably the primary way it spread versus aerosol or surface contact.

But that aside, would mask wearing be an issue if Trump hadn't made it an issue?

If a president Romney was wearing a mask on TV would it have mattered what Fauci said back in March?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

At that time they didn't know that droplet was probably the primary way it spread versus aerosol or surface contact.

Given common respiratory viruses are perpetuated by droplet spread then why didn't the CDC recommend cloth or otherwise improvised masks for those who absolutely couldn't avoid staying home or being distanced?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Given common respiratory viruses are perpetuated by droplet spread then why didn't the CDC recommend cloth or otherwise improvised masks for those who absolutely couldn't avoid staying home or being distanced?

This virus is more complicated than previously known respiratory viruses and as seen in this thread masks are a very complicated issue as well. When you Really want to emphasize social distancing tell some people that masks make it safe to go out might be counter productive .

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Monticore

This virus is more complicated than previously known respiratory viruses and as seen in this thread masks are a very complicated issue as well. When you Really want to emphasize social distancing tell some people that masks make it safe to go out might be counter productive .

Why did you bother quoting my post since none of what you wrote offers any sort of counterpoint to what I said originally?

It's quite simple: if there's a benefit to wider public health by wearing an improvised, non-medical grade PPE mask through limiting droplet spread now then there certainly was one four to five months ago because it is known that typical influenza and cold viruses are commonly transmitted through droplet spread. Even if it were not the case that SARSCov2 is inhibited by such improvised measures then there still is the wider benefit of cutting down the spread of non-novel respiratory viruses which in turn cuts down on health care usage.

That's the case in which they were wrong and a cloth mask doesn't do shit against SARSCov2. If they were right, then C-19 proliferates at a much slower rate and potentially negates or curtails the length of major lockdowns across the country.

In either circumstance, the CDC gets an out once further information on SARSCov2 comes to light and can say "Look, we weren't sure improvised masks would work for instances when people could not avoid 'social distancing', but at the time it was the best we could recommend since we needed to preserve PPE for health care providers."

But instead, their best course of action was to lie and say "nah just proceed as normal" in order to prevent runs on medical grade PPE by the general public when there was a potential alternative in recommending physical distancing in concert with improvised masking to those who couldn't otherwise avoid to stay in household isolation.

[Chief Pagan]

And do you think what Fauci said back in March is that much more important than the example that Trump is setting?

[Chief Pagan]

Or alternately, if back in March he had said wearing a home made cloth mask might help reduce the spread a bit, but we really don't know yet...

Would the number people wearing masks today be significantly different ???

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And do you think what Fauci said back in March is that much more important than the example that Trump is setting?

I guess we are okay to talk politics now???

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess we are okay to talk politics now???

If asking whether Fauci or Trump has a bigger impact on people's mask wearing is too political for this thread, then I will instead ask:

Is Fauci's comment in March really the reason mask wearing has dropped to zero in some places?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If asking whether Fauci or Trump has a bigger impact on people's mask wearing is too political for this thread, then I will instead ask:



Is Fauci's comment in March really the reason mask wearing has dropped to zero in some places?

It probably didn't help. Beyond that, not much to discuss here.

[Pitt Gorilla]

This is pretty impressive work. I'd encourage everyone to check it out.

Goldman Sachs has done the math and a national mask mandate to halt the spread of coronavirus would have a big impact on the U.S. economy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...51PQsiUhe98Rqg

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

This is pretty impressive work. I'd encourage everyone to check it out.

Goldman Sachs has done the math and a national mask mandate to halt the spread of coronavirus would have a big impact on the U.S. economy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...51PQsiUhe98Rqg

They are part of the elites trying to turn us into sheep by wearing masks.

If you're already wearing a mask, you're a sheep and it's too late.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess we are okay to talk politics now???

It's pretty obvious at this point anything Anti-Trump is ok.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's pretty obvious at this point anything Anti-Trump is ok.

How is it obvious? It is not obvious to me and I hate the Democrats, the Republicans and the Trump fans.

I hate the fact that all objective reasoning is gone in this country because people pick a ****ing side and ride or die.