***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, I have my Dad and Step Mom who both live in Phoenix and both in their late 60's\early 70's.

Both make the choice on how they want to live their life and I don't lecture the one way or the other.

As they have said, they are too old to merely exist through life for the rest of their days. Both have some form of underlying. Both are fairly active and healthy otherwise but they do have medical conditions.

What they told me was if they have to live like prisoners, being locked down, can't go here, can't go there, then at their age what is the point? Their fear I guess is by the time all this shit settles down and people are allowed to live their lives again they will be too old to live it the way they wanted.

Considering this primarily impacts the elderly I guess it's their opinion that matters over mine but it is what it is.

It is hard to argue against that. My parents were the same way and I am sure if we live to be old we will feel the same. Something is going to get us all. For me just don’t make it fire.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My neighbors were having parties every weekend with 20-30 people and a live band from around March to early May. Between a huge culture of community gatherings and lots of multi generational families, it's really tough for many Latinos to stay isolated.

Ohhh it's SO tough for them....and so easy for everyone e!se...

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by lewdog

This is not a racist comment but I think it's Hispanics in America and has nothing to do with the border. Hispanics in general have a strong sense of family/friend gatherings. Many of them are still having these large gatherings because it's important to them. I know a nurse whose family had a party back in April when things were just getting rolling. 50 family members attended this party and of course they spread COVID to each other (many of them worked in healthcare!). 18 tested positive and 4 older family members died. It's a huge cultural thing for them.

Next time they'll stuff the piñata with masks and hand sanitizer.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I should add that the odd thing is that Colorado deaths line up with population distribution pretty closely despite the fact that Latinos overindex on cases by almost a factor of two. My theory is that they tend to be younger, while non-Hispanic white people are less likely to get it, but they are more likely to die from it since they tend to be older.

Data is here for Colorado FWIW.

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data

Yeah, a lot has been made about demographic and geographic stratification of COVID especially now that death statistics seem to have uncoupled from tests, at least for the moment. But I think a lot of this has to do with cultural factors like you mention - they are more likely to live in larger, multi-generational households and they aren't as willing to avoid socialization. They aren't unlike Italians, I suppose.

There's also the fact that blacks and latinos are more likely to use public transit and work in jobs where transmission is much more common, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that some people are just a lot more likely to ignore the precautions than others because it's hard on them culturally to isolate themselves.

[Bugeater]

I guess making excuses is better than risking being called a racist.

[Demonpenz]

Whites have no problem hanging out by themselves because most of them are miserable old farts that cant stand anyone or anything but dogs.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Whites have no problem hanging out by themselves because most of them are miserable old farts that cant stand anyone or anything but dogs.

Dogs are awesome, though.

But yeah. There's probably some truth to this.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Can't say I am surprised.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-st...ry?id=71552514

Late to the party, but **** it seems like not long ago some dumbass said that certainly was not happening.

[eDave]

Tempe bar Varsity Tavern under investigation for allegedly letting employees with COVID-19 keep working.

Among the alleged violations:

• Multiple instances where management required or permitted employees who had tested positive to continue working
• Management failed to take appropriate measures to notify the Arizona Department of Health Services (ADHS) or other agencies, employees, or customers that employees who had tested positive had worked while symptomatic
• Management failed to create or enforce written policies in compliance with the executive order, CDC or ADHS guidelines
• Management failed to enforce social distancing guidelines requiring masks or limiting groups to gather

https://www.abc15.com/entertainment/...9-keep-working

[Ninerfan11]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...?ocid=msedgntp

Everything the media tells us is real guys

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Try spiced cherry bitters. That's my favorite. And if you are going to use cheap vermouth get at least Martini & Rossi. Don't go for that super cheap shit. The better the vermouth the better the cocktail. Olive & Ivy is who turned me onto Antica. They make great Manhattans and their fillets, OMFG. Dude I live in KC which is like the kingdom of steaks and Olive & Ivy's fillet is arguably the best ****ing steak I have ever had.

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ohhh it's SO tough for them....and so easy for everyone e!se...

i dunno, but im 43 and i see my mom a bout 5 days a week my dad about 1-2. My sister 3-4. We have family dinner 1 to 2 days a week My dad even comes for family dinner at my moms and him and my mom have been divorced since 92. I have my nieces and nephews with me a few times a week (they just wanna play fortnite). We have and always will be a very close family. When my grandmother was around. Everyone was constantly at her house. She was never ever alone.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Ninerfan11

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...?ocid=msedgntp

Everything the media tells us is real guys

The latter part of the article explains why this study is bogus. Yet you posted it anyway. This thread is not intended for your antics and are unwelcome.

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by eDave

The latter part of the article explains why this study is bogus. Yet you posted it anyway. This thread is not intended for your antics and are unwelcome.

No one says it's "bogus." You did. All these studies deserve skepticism. This is a fear propaganda thread though. Let's go protest, it's perfectly healthy.

[Dunit35]

There had to be 10-15 people at 630 am sitting in lawn chairs outside our express wellness. I saw two people running to the parking lot.

They offer rapid testing, only place in town. I believe the place opens at 8am.

[KCUnited]

I live in an 80% Hispanic neighborhood and we're always towards the top in positive cases in the city. Its fairly common to see 3, sometimes 4 generations of family either living in the same house or on the same block with regular gatherings. Add in divorced households and you have upwards of 20 people crossing paths at kid swap drop off times.

Also people point and laugh at white guy toxic masculinity but Hispanic males seem to be constantly maxing out their masculinity and mask wearing doesn't really fit into that, at least around here.