***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

I mean, if you’re into non-sequitar, then great. Otherwise, your analogy does not apply at all.

First off it's non sequitur.

Secondly you seem to be okay to tell people they are < 1% of something so they should adjust. But you don't seem to like to equally apply that logic. Only when it seems to impact you directly.

My analogy applies fine. > 1% of this country has Covid. > .5% of this country has died from Covid. Almost 50% of that .5% are linked directly to care facilities which could be linked directly to bad decisions made by elected officials.

So if you want to play this game of numbers then you are asking over 99% of the country to inconvenience themselves and\or their businesses while at the same time telling someone who is > 1% of something to **** off.

But that's all foreplay. Since you want people with asthma or COPD to stay home because they can't wear a mask why don't we just tell everyone who is < 70 to stay the **** home because they the higher risk group and are primarily the only ones dying?

Or you could just accept the fact that some people have medical conditions that prevent them from wearing a mask and not be a dick about it.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Scared so stay home? Not everyone has that choice depending on your line of work.

And can we stop with the pre existing and high risk bullshit. Half of those hospitalized in AZ are 20-44 years old and many without pre existing conditions. That drum died in May so stop beating it.

Half of those hospitalized in AZ are 20-44 years old

Lots of those hospitalization numbers are meaningless. If you come in for a knee surgery now they test you for Covid. If you test positive, congrats you are now a Covid hospitalization, even if you have no symptoms.



Death rate for those 40 and under close to zero.

[Donger]

Texas has a record day of 9,053 new cases and a repeat of highest number of deaths.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

It's difficult to find accurate hospitalization data I've found. You can go from county website to county website and piece together information but that takes forever.

I read an article for my local area today that our hospital has the capacity for up to 300 covid patients. The article said there were 100n negative pressure rooms, but they could treat 300 people if needed. That bit was kind of confusing.

We are currently at 12. The highest we've been is 21.

378 today which is 12 more than last Monday. Thought we were gonna hold but still 12 one way or the other is negligible.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Half of those hospitalized in AZ are 20-44 years old

Lots of those hospitalization numbers are meaningless. If you come in for a knee surgery now they test you for Covid. If you test positive, congrats you are now a Covid hospitalization, even if you have no symptoms.



Death rate for those 40 and under close to zero.

Are you under the impression that the R0 for people under 40 is less than 1?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Half of those hospitalized in AZ are 20-44 years old

Lots of those hospitalization numbers are meaningless. If you come in for a knee surgery now they test you for Covid. If you test positive, congrats you are now a Covid hospitalization, even if you have no symptoms.



Death rate for those 40 and under close to zero.

That drum died as well.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

That drum died as well.

Why are you killing drums????

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

Are you under the impression that the R0 for people under 40 is less than 1?

What does that have to do with anything I said?

We were discussing hospitalizations and deaths.

In any case, I highly doubt you would be able to calculate that anyway. We have been flying blind. The cases we see reported are a small sliver of people exposed.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Half of those hospitalized in AZ are 20-44 years old

Lots of those hospitalization numbers are meaningless. If you come in for a knee surgery now they test you for Covid. If you test positive, congrats you are now a Covid hospitalization, even if you have no symptoms.



Death rate for those 40 and under close to zero.

This age group has stayed on top of the COVID hospitalizations in AZ for the past month, so your logic is faulty.

The amount of people in their 20-40's needing hospital care is normally very low, so by your scenario this wouldn't fit the numbers. And those needing a "knee surgery" who are testing positive for COVID in the hospital and being recorded as live data over weeks and weeks simply doesn't make sense. They'd be positive and discharged home quickly, not taking up bed space. Those in the hospital in this age group are receiving lots of care for COVID symptoms.

I bet you're another dipshit who is far removed from the medical community, making more illogical claims.

[petegz28]

lew, you get any take on length of stay yet? My Dad keeps saying that the stays are numerous but not long. You're a bit closer to the action than he is so I am curious what you are seeing? I'd ask eDave but he can't count so well.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by lewdog

This age group has stayed on top of the COVID hospitalizations in AZ for the past month, so your logic is faulty.

The amount of people in their 20-40's needing hospital care is normally very low, so by your scenario this wouldn't fit the numbers. And those needing a "knee surgery" who are testing positive for COVID in the hospital and being recorded as live data over weeks and weeks simply doesn't make sense. They'd be positive and discharged home quickly, not taking up bed space. Those in the hospital in this age group are receiving lots of care for COVID symptoms.

I bet you're another dipshit who is far removed from the medical community, making more illogical claims.

They'd be positive and discharged home quickly

They are discharged when they are done with whatever elective surgery they needed is finished. They will also be listed as a Covid hospitalization.

I bet you're another dipshit who is far removed

Sure, when one is ignorant one can become angry. There is no need to stay that way. Help is available for you.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They'd be positive and discharged home quickly

They are discharged when they are done with whatever elective surgery they needed is finished. They will also be listed as a Covid hospitalization.

I bet you're another dipshit who is far removed

Sure, when one is ignorant one can become angry. There is no need to stay that way. Help is available for you.

lew lives in a desert on purpose. There is no helping him, merely understanding and tolerating him.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

They'd be positive and discharged home quickly

They are discharged when they are done with whatever elective surgery they needed is finished. They will also be listed as a Covid hospitalization.

I bet you're another dipshit who is far removed

Sure, when one is ignorant one can become angry. There is no need to stay that way. Help is available for you.

Since elective surgeries are limited right now, your argument still doesn’t work. And a young person in the hospital doesn’t tie up a bed a long time for an elective surgery, especially with bed shortages in AZ.

Optimism is the death rate currently is shown as slowed, however due to the surge in AZ we won’t know if deaths truly spike until end of July here. You’re hoping treatments have improved and the virus has weakened.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Since elective surgeries are limited right now, your argument still doesn’t work. And a young person in the hospital doesn’t tie up a bed a long time for an elective surgery, especially with bed shortages in AZ.

Optimism is the death rate currently is shown as slowed, however due to the surge in AZ we won’t know if deaths truly spike until end of July here. You’re hoping treatments have improved and the virus has weakened.

AZ reported 1 death today. I know that is probably not accurate but hey, I am running with it.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

lew, you get any take on length of stay yet? My Dad keeps saying that the stays are numerous but not long. You're a bit closer to the action than he is so I am curious what you are seeing? I'd ask eDave but he can't count so well.

It’s hit or miss unless you’re need a ventilator. I find it crazy that so many in the young group are needing some form of hospital care from this virus.

Ventilator stays are tracking over 2 weeks on average, tying up a vent to that patient for quite a long time.