***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I won't contaminate this thread like you have, but as you're aware, you brought up the "people who hate HCQ have thousands of deaths on their hands!" tripe both here and there today.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

I won't contaminate this thread like you have, but as you're aware, you brought up the "people who hate HCQ have thousands of deaths on their hands!" tripe both here and there today.

And you have all but proven your stance, you subliminal ****ing politics is a joke.

You would rather thousands more die than give up your ground.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

And you have all but proven your stance, you subliminal ****ing politics is a joke.

You would rather thousands more die than give up your ground.

As has been pointed out, there are flaws with the new study that you really want to be true. That's a shame.

Perhaps you should focus on other drugs under trial, like remdesivir? Why aren't you touting that?

[Donger]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - New coronavirus cases soared in California over the July Fourth weekend, stressing some hospital systems and leading to the temporary closure of the state capitol building in Sacramento for deep cleaning, officials said on Monday.

The number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 has increased by 50% over the past two weeks to about 5,800, Governor Gavin Newsom said at a briefing.

About a third of those hospitalized were in Los Angeles County, state and local records showed, with about 630 confirmed and suspected coronavirus patients requiring intensive care.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Donger

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - New coronavirus cases soared in California over the July Fourth weekend, stressing some hospital systems and leading to the temporary closure of the state capitol building in Sacramento for deep cleaning, officials said on Monday.

The number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 has increased by 50% over the past two weeks to about 5,800, Governor Gavin Newsom said at a briefing.

About a third of those hospitalized were in Los Angeles County, state and local records showed, with about 630 confirmed and suspected coronavirus patients requiring intensive care.

Must be all of the knee surgeries scheduled after trying to pivot and run from lit fireworks.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Must be all of the knee surgeries scheduled after trying to pivot and run from lit fireworks.

I wanted to post an article yesterday about how states are having to admit the protests spread the virus but it was too political for here. Needless to say......

[eDave]

Ronazona

Cases: 7-Day avg continues to rise, both in cases and deaths. This is the highest death total added in a single report (1st triple digit day), likely catching up for the lag in death reporting over the last two days.

Testing: PCR Testing dropped by about 2.5K since yesterday.

Spread: Overall PCR positive test percentage went up from 13.4% to 13.6% (based on 628K tests, up from a 6.6% low) and the average for this week is 19% (but only based on 748 cases, down from 22% the previous week).

Hospital Utilization: COVID Hospitalizations went up 4.5% (another all time high). ICU beds for COVID patients went up 3.5% (Overall ICU bed usage went up 89% to 90%). Ventilators in use for COVID went up 2%. Intubations for Respiratory Distress stayed in triple digits (111).

Data Source: ADHS

CHARTS

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Long article so quoted just part of it.

I was told not to worry about this because we don't yet know what % of people have long term health problems.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wanted to post an article yesterday about how states are having to admit the protests spread the virus but it was too political for here. Needless to say......

Not sure why people are focusing on that, really.... I'm sure it spread it to some extent, just like any other situation where there's prolonged exposure to other people while not social distancing or wearing a mask.

People are idiots, whether they're being idiots while protesting, idiots while drinking, idiots while at church, idiots while throwing parties, idiots....

[suzzer99]

A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a huge church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says https://t.co/Cd7AsH0cjj

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 7, 2020

She alleged that Brunton Davis took Carsyn to the event to “intentionally expose her immuno-compromised daughter to this virus.

At some point, Carsyn was also given a dose of hydroxychloroquine by her parents — an action that came less than a week after the FDA pulled its emergency use authorization

Carsyn’s parents declined to have her intubated, and she instead started receiving plasma therapy, the report said. But by June 22, her condition wasn’t improving and “intubation was required,” the medical examiner wrote.

Despite “aggressive therapy and maneuvers,” Carsyn still didn’t get better, leading Brunton Davis to request “heroic efforts” even knowing that her daughter “had low chance of meaningful survival,” according to the report.

But none of the procedures worked and Carsyn continued to deteriorate. She died shortly after 1 p.m. on June 23, two days after her 17th birthday.

And now of course the mother has a gofundme and is making money off of killing her child, because 2020.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not sure why people are focusing on that, really.... I'm sure it spread it to some extent, just like any other situation where there's prolonged exposure to other people while not social distancing or wearing a mask.

People are idiots, whether they're being idiots while protesting, idiots while drinking, idiots while at church, idiots while throwing parties, idiots....

I was wondering about this. Has there been one documented super-spreader event outdoors?

For the record I think beaches should be open and most of those shots you see of people at the lake are probably fine. Of course it's the drinking all day leading to zero inhibitions and more drinking all night that is more problematic.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not sure why people are focusing on that, really.... I'm sure it spread it to some extent, just like any other situation where there's prolonged exposure to other people while not social distancing or wearing a mask.



People are idiots, whether they're being idiots while protesting, idiots while drinking, idiots while at church, idiots while throwing parties, idiots....

People are focusing on that because until now it was being grossly overlooked or otherwise ignored as a contributor to rising cases.

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[Donger]

Arizona reporting 117 new deaths.

[Bowser]

[suzzer99]

A friend posted this about his fiancee's friend:

Tested positive 101 days ago. Symptoms started 112 days ago. She is still having symptoms. She is in the process of having half of her lung removed. She has a heart murmur and alarmingly high blood pressure for a healthy 28 year old. She's had a fever and cough for all 112 days. She is struggling to walk to the mailbox without gasping for breath. She was never on a ventilator and has remained outpatient for all treatments.

Yes it's anecdotal. But there are lots of similar stories out there. Until I know the odds of this happening are vanishingly small, it will continue to be my biggest concern.