***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

As I posted yesterday, Florida has had 17k kids test positive so yes kids can get it very easily and they pass it just like adults. Now most of them don't get the worse effects but they will pass it on.

The problem comparing the USA to any other country is most countries have Covid in control, we are far from it.

School Children Don’t Spread Coronavirus, French Study Shows
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ch-study-shows


This study actually states kids are more likely to be infected by their parents rather than the other way around.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

There are a lot of resources out of Europe and Asia where they’ve found kids are not vectors to adults at much of a high rate at all. Kids also aren’t at a high risk of this thankfully.

Got a link(s)?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Logistically it will be difficult to get them back in classes and with the school year coinciding with cold and flu season it will make things even harder , I can’t see having full year without some online or home school stuff at least part time , school sports and after school stuff will not be happening either which is just as important as the in class stuff.

Since when do we care about colds and flu?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

So about 26+ kids nationally have died with Covid........so we should close all schools? I guess we disagree. Maybe the kids should go to school and elderly teachers should wear masks or retire if they are worried.

That's how many confirmed, not estimated, yes.

Like I said, it's foolish to completely open up when cases are growing. What we are seeing now is graphic proof of that fact.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Since when do we care about colds and flu?

Because their symptoms are similar to covid .

[petegz28]

Here is a study from down under.....


Yes, schools are closed, but the evidence still shows kids are unlikely to catch or spread coronavirus
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...ronavirus.html

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Because their symptoms are similar to covid .

That doesn't really answer the question

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There are studies that discount this and he even referenced them in general but damn it you "know" it.....

Well here where I live we just had 8 kids get it at the HS while weight lifting together and they passed it on some of their friends and parents.

[eDave]

Great Scottsdale spot. Met this guy before but just brief and meaningless really.

Owner of Scottsdale Mexican restaurant dies from complications related to COVID-19

Members of Teddy Bernal's family said they didn't know how serious it was. They thought Bernal, who owned Frank and Lupe's in Scottsdale, would just be quarantined and everything would be OK, but that wasn't the case.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ow...ed-to-covid-19

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Got a link(s)?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056...icleTools=true

There’s one where they traced the genetics of the virus as they contact traced

Here’s one from Ireland

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268273/

Here’s one from the Netherlands

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well here where I live we just had 8 kids get it at the HS while weight lifting together and they passed it on some of their friends and parents.

How do you know they passed it on? I am not saying they didn't. I am asking how you know this?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056...icleTools=true

There’s one where they traced the genetics of the virus as they contact traced

Here’s one from Ireland

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268273/

Here’s one from the Netherlands

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

This?

In a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That doesn't really answer the question

What do you do with a kid with a sniffle or diarrhea quarantine for 14 days at home or test them every week? What if half the class has a soar throat etc. Keep them all home anyways.?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

How do you know they passed it on? I am not saying they didn't. I am asking how you know this?

Because I am friends with one of the parents. They are social kids so one probably got it first then passed it on to the others and so it goes.

Our school canceled all extra curricular activities until further notice which if this were to happen during the school year they would have to shut down the whole school.

That is the big question right? What are schools going to do when 1 infected student shows up and they find out a couple weeks later. Shit will hit the fan and the school will close would be my guess.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Because I am friends with one of the parents. They are social kids so one probably got it first then passed it on to the others and so it goes.

Our school canceled all extra curricular activities until further notice which if this were to happen during the school year they would have to shut down the whole school.

That is the big question right? What are schools going to do when 1 infected student shows up and they find out a couple weeks later. Shit will hit the fan and the school will close would be my guess.

So you "know" they spread it because you are friends with someone? Okay