***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Can you guys take that shit back to your hole in DC?

It'll probably turn out to be some honest mistake like not reporting negatives - which makes the overall % testing for the state look a little worse, but is not inflating the raw numbers.

But no instead let's extrapolate that absolutely NOTHING can ever be trusted again. Truth is dead. Science and math are just another form of propaganda. Etc.

ICUs are filling up. Tests are so backlogged they're taking over a week if you're lucky enough to get one. This spike is not a damn hoax.

Once this thing is thoroughly explained, next week you'll be on to a brand new conspiracy theory, with this one completely forgotten and nothing learned from it. Repeat forever.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Does anyone know the reasons for the discrepancies? Are these the same numbers that go into the cdc reports? Would it make this site in accurate?


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states

I would assume these places are using raw numbers and not the percentages given in these reports.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by O.city

Pfizer CEO says their vaccine may be ready by October and they're essentially going to give it away?

I've been saying that I feel like the vaccine would be available before end of the year.

Reason being, for Dr. Fauci to publicly state that there could be a vaccine by the end of the year and not deliver on it would be media suicide. You would have to assume that the end of the year statement was a conservative one to buy them time just in case they couldn't find one any sooner...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Can you guys take that shit back to your hole in DC?

It'll probably turn out to be some honest mistake like not reporting negatives - which makes the overall % testing for the state look a little worse, but is not inflating the raw numbers.

But no instead let's extrapolate that absolutely NOTHING can ever be trusted again. Truth is dead. Science and math are just another form of propaganda. Etc.

ICUs are filling up. Tests are so backlogged they're taking over a week if you're lucky enough to get one. This spike is not a damn hoax.

Once this thing is thoroughly explained, next week you'll be on to a brand new conspiracy theory, with this one completely forgotten and nothing learned from it. Repeat forever.

Look who's panties are in a twist for exactly no reason at all.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Look whose panties are in a twist for exactly no reason at all.

FYP

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am sure you read about this story that just happened where 3 teachers shared the same classroom and they all got Covid and one died. You have to think about the staff as well. Having large groups of people indoors for an extended period of time I just think is pretty scary.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ng/5405651002/

Thats teachers spreading it to each other. We can mitigate that to an extent.

School is all about the kids. It's a social agreement.

If it's not, well, we've got bigger problems. Education and all that comes with it is too damn important. I'm pretty frustrated that once we shut school down in March, we weren't doing everything in our power to figure out how to get them back open in the fall.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Can you guys take that shit back to your hole in DC?

It'll probably turn out to be some honest mistake like not reporting negatives - which makes the overall % testing for the state look a little worse, but is not inflating the raw numbers.

But no instead let's extrapolate that absolutely NOTHING can ever be trusted again. Truth is dead. Science and math are just another form of propaganda. Etc.

ICUs are filling up. Tests are so backlogged they're taking over a week if you're lucky enough to get one. This spike is not a damn hoax.

Once this thing is thoroughly explained, next week you'll be on to a brand new conspiracy theory, with this one completely forgotten and nothing learned from it. Repeat forever.

Why would you not report negatives?

I haven't seen anyone in here say anything about this spike being a hoax.

Have you read any of the things I've posted in here recently?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Can you guys take that shit back to your hole in DC?

That's not DC worthy. People aren't allowed to mistrust data sources that have been proven incorrect?

[O.city]

The CDC director saying it's a bigger public health threat to children to keep schools closed than for them to open mean anything to anyone?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Thats teachers spreading it to each other. We can mitigate that to an extent.

School is all about the kids. It's a social agreement.

If it's not, well, we've got bigger problems. Education and all that comes with it is too damn important. I'm pretty frustrated that once we shut school down in March, we weren't doing everything in our power to figure out how to get them back open in the fall.

I share your frustrations. We have failed so far in containing this virus. But I just saw this news which isn't going to make anyone happy.

Israel is now saying fully opening their schools was the reason for the explosions in their cases.

The announcement followed a more cautious experiment of several weeks in which only children in the first, second, and third grades were brought back to classrooms, and taught in small, non-intersecting groups called “capsules.”

Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at the Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and chairman of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians, said: “There was no measurable increase in contagion” while the capsules for young children were being tried out.

The association even offered the government an investigation into school-based infections of COVID-19, but was turned down.

Then, Levine says, “contrary to our advice, the government decided to open the entire system all at once on May 17. What happened next was entirely predictable.”

On June 3, two weeks after schools opened, more than 244 students and staff were found to test positive for COVID-19.

According to the education ministry, 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have contracted COVID-19, and 28,147 are in quarantine due to possible contagion.

[O.city]

I did see that this morning. Thats the first place that has reported that whereas we have alot in Europe that are having no problems.

That many being sick that quick in is interesting. Wonder if it may have happened previously?

[O.city]

It doesn't effect my family, wife works from home anyway.

But what are two parent working househoulds supposed to do if there isn't any school?

[Donger]

FWIW, not peer-reviewed and I really hope it's wrong:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...429v1.full.pdf

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

That's not DC worthy. People aren't allowed to mistrust data sources that have been proven incorrect?

Sure, but of course the next logical step for them is always this:

Originally Posted by F150

believe nothing we read,see or hear

Basically truth is dead. Science is all a lie (or at least any of it I don't want to believe). Every local, county and state health directors and all epidemiologists are in on some big scam (obviously never overtly said because of how ridiculous it sounds, just implied). Etc.

It's like finding out that in some cases covid patients pay more, and then immediately extrapolating that tons of hospitals across the country are massively over-counting deaths for that sweet extra $6k or w/e. The most important part is when you sneer at anyone else so naive to think it's not happening. The sneer is key.

The same way with this Florida thing. No one is making different decisions or freaking out if the Florida positivity rate is 20% or 23%. Show there's some actual impact here and not just overloaded clinics failing to report negative tests for some reason. But they don't do that - they just point to one screwup somewhere and say "trust nothing". Which is by design.

[KS Smitty]

The school thing is a mess with many parents wanting/needing to send their kids back and other parents concerned it's too soon. I know some that are planning homeschooling either way and it will be interesting to see what decisions get made. Here is an interesting read from an elementary teacher, who brings up some valid points/questions, although some may find them extreme but leaves her political comments 'til the end. "25 children standing three feet apart is a line over 75 feet long."

https://mrsteacherlife.wordpress.com...mfEOJp_-QRbQ2g