***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

Your children's lives aren't the ones you should be concerned about with this thing (not that you shouldn't be concerned about your children in general, but you get what I'm saying).

I'm Pro science: Years of physics, chemistry and biology in both high school and college. I used to read science journals, I've read every book by Carl Sagan and other astronomers and physicists. I'm not Anti-Intellectual in any way, shape or form.

BUT, the information provided to us by the world's leading scientists has been changing rapidly.

No masks, followed by MASKS FOR ALL!

This drug works! Ooops, no it doesn't! YES, it does! No, it doesn't!

It won't kill young people, just the elderly with pre-existing conditions. Oops! It just killed a bunch of people in their 40's and 50's!

It's not airborne. Oops, it IS airborne! No, it's not airborne. So on and so forth.

So, with this being the case, there's not a chance in hell that any graph, flow chart or "study" is going to convince me that it's "safe" to send MY children back to their respective schools, with each campus filled with more than 1,200 people, many of whom live in multi-generational homes.

I am more than happy to wait until it's been absolutely proven that no harm will come from sending them back into that type of environment when online school, at least for us, has been a raring success.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Are you familiar with Bret Weinstein?

I am familiar with him from the JRE. I have not heard him discuss this, but I also believe it to be the case.

I read an article about the super abnormal length of the hook that binds the virus to the receptors on our cells.

I can't remember all the details but I came away more convinced that it was a virus manipulated by China in order to be weaponized.

It escaped due to institutional negligence in the lab and a dumbass lab employee.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by eDave

Saw briefly that the CDC is saying this fall is going to be a real mother****er.

He also said Masks are the key to reopening schools.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm Pro science: Years of physics, chemistry and biology in both high school and college. I used to read science journals, I've read every book by Carl Sagan and other astronomers and physicists. I'm not Anti-Intellectual in any way, shape or form.

BUT, the information provided to us by the world's leading scientists has been changing rapidly.

No masks, followed by MASKS FOR ALL!

This drug works! Ooops, no it doesn't! YES, it does! No, it doesn't!

It won't kill young people, just the elderly with pre-existing conditions. Oops! It just killed a bunch of people in their 40's and 50's!

It's not airborne. Oops, it IS airborne! No, it's not airborne. So on and so forth.

So, with this being the case, there's not a chance in hell that any graph, flow chart or "study" is going to convince me that it's "safe" to send MY children back to their respective schools, with each campus filled with more than 1,200 people, many of whom live in multi-generational homes.

I am more than happy to wait until it's been absolutely proven that no harm will come from sending them back into that type of environment when online school, at least for us, has been a raring success.

It's the consequences of the changing age. Science has always worked this way, but people haven't had access to information until it was vetted and printed in journals. With this, people need any tiny bit of information they can get, and they need it as soon as it's available. But that means that preliminary findings which would not have been public in the past are put out there and treated as gospel.

"Science" hasn't changed. The speed at which shaky data becomes public has.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Pants

... it was a virus manipulated by China...

It escaped due to institutional negligence in the lab and a dumbass lab employee.

To me, that seems like the most feasible explanation, even before listening to this.


And, quite frankly, if this is what we got from an escaped weaponized virus then we should count ourselves lucky because it could have been soooo much worse.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DaFace

"Science" hasn't changed. The speed at which shaky data becomes public has.

And don't forget that disparagement and shaming is the exciting new spectator bloodsport.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And don't forget that disparagement and shaming is the exciting new spectator bloodsport.

And which group is that?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by loochy

To me, that seems like the most feasible explanation, even before listening to this.


And, quite frankly, if this is what we got from an escaped weaponized virus then we should count ourselves lucky because it could have been soooo much worse.

It also explains why China kept it under wraps as they were mobilizing to contain this mother****er. They probably didn't know what exactly escaped, but they knew it wasn't going to be good.

Does anyone remember any of those early articles/blogs from Westerners describing the quarantine measures China implemented to keep this at bay? Every single individual was literally color coded and locked away. Nobody could go anywhere. It was brutal and brutally effective.

THIS IS ALL PURE CONJECTURE, but I personally believe that's what happened.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

Your children's lives aren't the ones you should be most concerned about with this thing (not that you shouldn't be concerned about your children in general, but you get what I'm saying).


This is Provisional COVID Death Counts in the US by Age as of 7/8/20:


15-24: 331 deaths
5-14: 28 deaths
1-4: 14 deaths
Under 1: 18 deaths




Flu deaths are actually significantly higher until we get to the 15-24 age range.










https://data.cdc.gov/d/9bhg-hcku/visualization

Any data on getting both flu and covid at the same time, not trying to be a dick just curious if people have actually looked into it.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by eDave

And which group is that?

Both groups

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Pants

It also explains why China kept it under wraps as they were mobilizing to contain this mother****er. They probably didn't know what exactly escaped, but they knew it wasn't going to be good.

Does anyone remember any of those early articles/blogs from Westerners describing the quarantine measures China implemented to keep this at bay? Every single individual was literally color coded and locked away. Nobody could go anywhere. It was brutal and brutally effective.

THIS IS ALL PURE CONJECTURE, but I personally believe that's what happened.

If so, why did it get out?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by sedated

If so, why did it get out?

Brutally effective =/= perfect.

It's contained in Wuhan and China now, but it didn't go away immediately.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Any data on getting both flu and covid at the same time, not trying to be a dick just curious if people have actually looked into it.

I haven't seen any. I'm guessing if a COVID comes back positive then they don't follow up with an influenza, and vice versa. JFC man, talk about hell on earth there. Add in some strep and mono to the covid induced pneumonia and some flu....woooweee that sounds fun!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Pants

Brutally effective =/= perfect.

It's contained in Wuhan and China now, but it didn't go away immediately.

How well would a virus such as this survive extreme heat....say between 50 and 150 million degrees Fahrenheit? Asking for a friend...

[Donger]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/healt...udy/index.html

(CNN)A Covid-19 vaccine developed by the biotechnology company Moderna in partnership with the National Institutes of Health has been found to induce immune responses in all of the volunteers who received it in a Phase 1 study.

These early results, published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday, showed that the vaccine worked to trigger an immune response with mild side effects -- fatigue, chills, headache, muscle pain, pain at the injection site -- becoming the first US vaccine candidate to publish results in a peer-reviewed medical journal.

The vaccine is expected to begin later this month a large Phase 3 trial -- the final trial stage before regulators consider whether to make the vaccine available.