***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We have had 2 employees who's spouse and kids have tested positive and they never did even after multiple tests. So yea its very possible you were around co workers and patients and didn't contract it.

Looks like your scenario points to either not having it or false negatives.

Has nothing to do with a false positive test.

[O.city]

Weird story.

Close friend of ours went skiing in Veil in early March before this starting getting crazy with 9 other guys. One of the guys on the trip is a big skier and big partier. They ski everyday, he can only ski half the time just gets exhausted, doesn't feel well. Goes to bed early every night, doesn't have any drinks or anything. Thinks he just has altitude sickness. My buddy is in the same hotel room with him for 6 nights. Does everything with him on the trip.

When trips over, this guy goes home and ends up testing positive for Covid the day he gets back. My buddy never had any symptoms, never got sick or anything.

Wondering now if he was just asymptomatic?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Weird story.

Close friend of ours went skiing in Veil in early March before this starting getting crazy with 9 other guys. One of the guys on the trip is a big skier and big partier. They ski everyday, he can only ski half the time just gets exhausted, doesn't feel well. Goes to bed early every night, doesn't have any drinks or anything. Thinks he just has altitude sickness. My buddy is in the same hotel room with him for 6 nights. Does everything with him on the trip.

When trips over, this guy goes home and ends up testing positive for Covid the day he gets back. My buddy never had any symptoms, never got sick or anything.

Wondering now if he was just asymptomatic?

Right off the bat I'd guess the positive case dude was contagious prior to the point where he was sick enough to be fatigued and your friend didn't receive enough of a viral load to catch it himself.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Right off the bat I'd guess the positive case dude was contagious prior to the point where he was sick enough to be fatigued and your friend didn't receive enough of a viral load to catch it himself.

He slept in the same room with him every night, shared a vape pen, ate 3 meals a day with him.

I would guess that wasn't the issue.

[tooge]

He didn't give him his load, even though they slept in the same room.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

He slept in the same room with him every night, shared a vape pen, ate 3 meals a day with him.

I would guess that wasn't the issue.

Welp, too late now to see if he was truly asymptomatic since too much time has passed to get anything out of an antibody test. If you were to test the guy now, I'd bet he doesn't have antibodies and if he did it was more likely a sign he got infected somewhere after the trup.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Looks like your scenario points to either not having it or false negatives.

Has nothing to do with a false positive test.

Multiple false negative tests on 1 person huh? Yea that's more likely than you having 1 false positive to go along with your inconclusive antibody test and another negative test.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Welp, too late now to see if he was truly asymptomatic since too much time has passed to get anything out of an antibody test. If you were to test the guy now, I'd bet he doesn't have antibodies and if he did it was more likely a sign he got infected somewhere after the trup.

He did say he felt kinda weird a few weeks later a came home from work early, but wasn't ever really sick.

Just weird.

Who knows.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Weird story.

Close friend of ours went skiing in Veil in early March before this starting getting crazy with 9 other guys. One of the guys on the trip is a big skier and big partier. They ski everyday, he can only ski half the time just gets exhausted, doesn't feel well. Goes to bed early every night, doesn't have any drinks or anything. Thinks he just has altitude sickness. My buddy is in the same hotel room with him for 6 nights. Does everything with him on the trip.

When trips over, this guy goes home and ends up testing positive for Covid the day he gets back. My buddy never had any symptoms, never got sick or anything.

Wondering now if he was just asymptomatic?

Something like this happened on a cruise ship to the Antarctic where two people shared a small cabin for 6 weeks. One had covid a big chunk of that time and the other never caught it.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think the likelihood of the scenario you have described means you probably had a false positive. Do I KNOW that? Of course not but if you look at what we do know about Covid at this point, I'm just looking at the odds.

We have had 2 employees who's spouse and kids have tested positive and they never did even after multiple tests. So yea its very possible you were around co workers and patients and didn't contract it.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I do sit through an hour or more long meeting everyday at 9:00am to go over the current situation at work regarding covid and our 750+ employees. We are working with health departments in MO, OK, and KS and get constant info and feedback on testing, quarantine, and release to work procedures etc...

No you're definitely not an expert and you clearly have no idea how the tests to determine if a person has COVID19 work. The chances of a false positive from a PCR test is pretty close to 0. For a test to come out positive the sample has to have the exact same genetic sequencing as COVID19. A false negative is much much more likely.

Maybe those 2 employees had it and gave it to their wife and kids, so they didn't have it at the time of the test. Also there is a higher likelyhood of those 2 having multiple false negatives than Lew having a false positive.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by TLO

In Lew's defense, I'd be a little leery of giving you my address too. You might accidentally lick my friends FG's pussy.

This is way out of bounds. Lewdog and his wife did something for me that I will never ever forget, nor betray. It was special beyond belief. Bawled my eyes out afterwords. I hope he doesn't die. **** off.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by eDave

This is way out of bounds. Lewdog and his wife did something for me that I will never ever forget, nor betray. It was special beyond belief. Bawled my eyes out afterwords. **** off.

Go on..

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

He did say he felt kinda weird a few weeks later a came home from work early, but wasn't ever really sick.



Just weird.



Who knows.

There almost HAS to be some truth to the natural immunity idea. It's just a question of how many people we're talking about.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by eDave

I hope he doesn't die. **** off.

His odds of dying are probably higher driving to the grocery store. I think he's gonna be fine buddy. Chill.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by O.city

Weird story.

Close friend of ours went skiing in Veil in early March before this starting getting crazy with 9 other guys. One of the guys on the trip is a big skier and big partier. They ski everyday, he can only ski half the time just gets exhausted, doesn't feel well. Goes to bed early every night, doesn't have any drinks or anything. Thinks he just has altitude sickness. My buddy is in the same hotel room with him for 6 nights. Does everything with him on the trip.

When trips over, this guy goes home and ends up testing positive for Covid the day he gets back. My buddy never had any symptoms, never got sick or anything.

Wondering now if he was just asymptomatic?

Funny, here in NorCal a group of firefighters from a nearby department went to Vail on a ski weekend back then as well. If I recall they all tested positive when they returned. All were fine with little or no symptoms but had to quarantine before retuning to work but it would seem Vail was a jacked up place to go skiing last spring....