***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Newsome I guess just locked down a ton of stuff including churches and salons and it appears more people are not going to listen.

Newsom banned singing in churches, which was met by a lawsuit from three different churches.

I haven't seen anything about hair salons closing but wouldn't be surprised if it happens, at least in LA, because Garcetti has been hinting for days that we're about to go on full lockdown again.

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't see it until today but I guess 2 weeks ago the Mayor of LA admitted a link between the protests and the spreading of Covid

He's an epic dipshit and easily the worst Los Angeles mayor in the past 100+ years. I can't wait to vote him out of office.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Churches just seem like a super spreading event waiting to happen with the singing and all.

We’ve been doing ours streamed on sundays and I kinda like it. It’s not the same but in these times it works fine for us

I don't disagree but there are certain rights people have but not to be covered here.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Newsom banned singing in churches, which was met by a lawsuit from three different churches.

I haven't seen anything about hair salons closing but wouldn't be surprised if it happens, at least in LA, because Garcetti has been hinting for days that we're about to go on full lockdown again.



He's an epic dipshit and still the worst Los Angeles mayor in the past 100+ years. I can't wait to vote him out of office.

I just heard about the lockdown on the radio so I think it was pretty recent. They acted like this went beyond what you are talking about. Like he literally just did this. Maybe not.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Newsom banned singing in churches, which was met by a lawsuit from three different churches.

I haven't seen anything about hair salons closing but wouldn't be surprised if it happens, at least in LA, because Garcetti has been hinting for days that we're about to go on full lockdown again.



He's an epic dipshit and easily the worst Los Angeles mayor in the past 100+ years. I can't wait to vote him out of office.

Here is what I found. I guess it isn't state wide.

The Democratic governor also announced that all gyms, places of worship, malls, personal care services, barbershops, salons, and non-critical offices in counties on the state’s “monitoring list” had to shut down under the new order.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...-a-second-time

[OnTheWarpath15]

None of these orders - lockdowns, masks, etc - mean a goddamn thing. They aren't being enforced.

People continue to defy them and do whatever the **** they want, which means we're never getting out of this ****ing roller coaster cycle of spikes.

4-5K cases a day here in AZ, a mandatory mask order, and it's still MAYBE 50/50 on compliance.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just heard about the lockdown on the radio so I think it was pretty recent. They acted like this went beyond what you are talking about. Like he literally just did this. Maybe not.

I didn't receive a text alert but nothing would surprise me at this point.

This is getting really old, Dude. I totally understand why we're doing it but I have to admit, it's wearing on me.

I need to go sit on a beach for two weeks and do nothing.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I didn't receive a text alert but nothing would surprise me at this point.

This is getting really old, Dude. I totally understand why we're doing it but I have to admit, it's wearing on me.

I need to go sit on a beach for two weeks and do nothing.

I might be off. I just posted the quote to an article. It sounds like the salons and gyms were only shut down in certain counties. Or maybe that is new.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't disagree but there are certain rights people have but not to be covered here.

With technology, there’s ways to worship. It’s not ideal. Nothing seems to be right now

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

None of these orders - lockdowns, masks, etc - mean a goddamn thing. They aren't being enforced.

People continue to defy them and do whatever the **** they want, which means we're never getting out of this ****ing roller coaster cycle of spikes.

4-5K cases a day here in AZ, a mandatory mask order, and it's still MAYBE 50/50 on compliance.

Well the media has made the shift from deaths to cases. A lot of people have grasped onto that and now have a "but are you dead?" attitude. I agree in places like AZ and CA where the hospitals are getting ran on things need to be taken seriously.

But people understand that if you do get Covid you are not going to die and really have a good chance to not even know you got it.

Rightly or wrongly it comes down to deaths. And good or bad, we have seen cases almost triple but deaths are not up by much.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

With technology, there’s ways to worship. It’s not ideal. Nothing seems to be right now

Again, I am not disagreeing. But this gets into the realm of politics and we need to take that elsewhere.

[jdubya]

Up here in CoCo County in NorCal I have been driving my dad to church for several weeks but it hasnt been indoors. It has been a parking lot service so everybody has been staying in their cars while the Father has a mic and speaker. Personally i havent seen true back to church masses yet but maybe it has happened somewhere. 3 weeks ago I got a haircut from my barber but I went back yesterday and he had a sign on the window that said, "Gavin shut us down again, sorry". My gym opened July 2nd but promptly closed last week.

In my county of 1.1 million we have had 93 deaths and 84 are in the hospital right now. No link but have heard all but a single handful of the deaths were folks already living in long term health care facilities. I believe our hospital bed capacity is almost 2,000.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I might be off. I just posted the quote to an article. It sounds like the salons and gyms were only shut down in certain counties. Or maybe that is new.

Yeah, I'm texting right now with my hair stylist, who owns her salon and has kids in school with mine.

They were shut down on Monday again but her landlord still wants the rent each month, which sucks.

[petegz28]

I don't know but even though Robin Meade is hot I am so ****ing sick of her commercial!!!!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I'm texting right now with my hair stylist, who owns her salon and has kids in school with mine.

They were shut down on Monday again but her landlord still wants the rent each month, which sucks.

I heard an interview with a guy who owned a barbershop and he said he expects to be cited but he isn't closing.

You can't tell people their business are shut down and tough shit if it means you can't feed yourself, pay your rent, etc. People will just ignore you. Especially when the order is coming from someone who is getting their full pay check.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I didn't receive a text alert but nothing would surprise me at this point.

This is getting really old, Dude. I totally understand why we're doing it but I have to admit, it's wearing on me.

I need to go sit on a beach for two weeks and do nothing.

That we can agree. Nothing better for the soul than a high mountain sunrise or the sound of waves crashing.........