***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

DUNNING KRUGER!

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

You guys didn't like my stats but also have no numbers to refute it

I purely used numbers from worldometers minus NY and NJ out of my own curiosity. If there's an issue with statistics here, talk to the numbers.

Some would rather live in fear than enjoy the possibilities of joy towards positive signs of progress and maybe things aren't quite as bad as the TV says they are. Suddenly we're defending the TV.

You're just doing calculations that were proven inaccurate months ago, so I think we're all just tired of refuting it. For starters, you're using total cases and total deaths while ignoring that there's a lag of up to a month before a case becomes a death. There are probably a dozen other reasons why your calculations don't make sense, but frankly I just don't care enough to get into it again.

There's a reason why people study this stuff their entire lives - the calculations are much more complex than random dudes with no expertise on the internet are going to be able to think through.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

DUNNING KRUGER!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You're just doing calculations that were proven inaccurate months ago, so I think we're all just tired of refuting it. For starters, you're using total cases and total deaths while ignoring that there's a lag of up to a month before a case becomes a death. There are probably a dozen other reasons why your calculations don't make sense, but frankly I just don't care enough to get into it again.

There's a reason why people study this stuff their entire lives - the calculations are much more complex than random dudes with no expertise on the internet are going to be able to think through.

I did some math myself and if you take women out of the breast cancer statistics it makes you wonder why we have to wear pink for a whole month.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You're just doing calculations that were proven inaccurate months ago, so I think we're all just tired of refuting it. For starters, you're using total cases and total deaths while ignoring that there's a lag of up to a month before a case becomes a death. There are probably a dozen other reasons why your calculations don't make sense, but frankly I just don't care enough to get into it again.

There's a reason why people study this stuff their entire lives - the calculations are much more complex than random dudes with no expertise on the internet are going to be able to think through.

Hey lay off him. He only had to take college algebra 3 times before he passed, so yeah he pretty much knows exactly what hes talking about.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You're just doing calculations that were proven inaccurate months ago, so I think we're all just tired of refuting it. For starters, you're using total cases and total deaths while ignoring that there's a lag of up to a month before a case becomes a death. There are probably a dozen other reasons why your calculations don't make sense, but frankly I just don't care enough to get into it again.

There's a reason why people study this stuff their entire lives - the calculations are much more complex than random dudes with no expertise on the internet are going to be able to think through.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

In just a few short months Anders Tegnell, architect of Sweden’s unique response to the Covid-19 pandemic, has gone from unknown physician and technocrat to a household celebrity in Sweden and in countries around the world. He is beloved by some (people have even had tattoos made with his face) and intensely disliked by others. Today he is suntanned and relaxed, having just returned from his summer holiday, and wearing an open-necked polo shirt. Here is a summary of what he said:

- In terms of migrants, travel and urban areas Sweden is more similar to the Netherlands and the UK than Norway or Finland
- Lockdown may have made a difference, but closing schools and people being out of work is also bad for public health
- Numbers of new infections arriving at the same time seems to make a big difference, so Stockholm half-term travellers to the Alps a big factor for Stockholm epidemic
- Eradication is not an option, ‘we have to learn to live with this disease’
- Evidence for masks still very weak, and they may yet be counterproductive. With all the trends going sharply down, it would make no sense to introduce them now
- Additional immunity such as T cells playing a substantial role in slowing spread – ‘what we see right now is a rapid fall in the number of cases, and of course some kind of immunity has to be involved in that as nothing else has changed.’
- Sweden will be better placed than other countries to limit further waves and outbreaks because of higher immunity

It APPEARS at this point that Sweden is pretty much at the end of it. They've paid the price in terms of deaths per population, but if other countries are in it for the long haul they may come out looking better.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

You guys didn't like my stats but also have no numbers to refute it

I purely used numbers from worldometers minus NY and NJ out of my own curiosity. If there's an issue with statistics here, talk to the numbers.

Some would rather live in fear than enjoy the possibilities of joy towards positive signs of progress and maybe things aren't quite as bad as the TV says they are. Suddenly we're defending the TV.

What exactly are you proposing we do differently at this time?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

the deaths lag 4 to 6 weeks...


We're just rolling into them again.

If we look at the last time the cases were where they are now, the lag came 7 days behind.

Now i think that was because we were testing near like we are now so things had already happened so it didn't really matter.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That's interesting but let's not act like whites have been perfect. No one has and plenty of blame to go around w all ethic groups. Just cause one sucks more than the others doesnt mean whites have been good at not spreading the virus.

^^^You want to see a perfect example of wanting to have a socially acceptable conversation rather than an honest and real one?

Lets ignore the facts and data and make sure we mention how bad white people have been too!

The truth is cultural differences play a role in this much much more than political ideology does and that political angle shit gets played out in the media, on social media, and here nonstop. And again Hispanic is not a race.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here in California, the number of new cases has consistently been above 10,000 per day for quite a while.

I can't even imagine how bad it would be in September had the governor not ordered online-schooling for the foreseeable future.

Maybe. It doesn't appear that schooling is the tinderbox spreader for this that it is for the flu.

It looks like SoCal maybe over the peak or atleast at the peak but now the north may be taking off.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we look at the last time the cases were where they are now, the lag came 7 days behind.

Now i think that was because we were testing near like we are now so things had already happened so it didn't really matter.

I think we are catching the infections sooner which would add lag .

[petegz28]

FL has a large spike in deaths today

[staylor26]

Love how people who don’t want to wear their masks, Hispanics, and Trump supporters all get blamed for the spread of COVID but none of those people pointing fingers talk about the fact that we had mass protests all over the country for weeks (still going on in some places).

I’m so sick of people and their agendas on both sides.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Love how people who simply don’t want to wear their masks, Hispanics, and Trump supporters all get blamed for the spread of COVID but none of those people pointing fingers talk about the fact that we had mass protests all over the country for weeks (still going on in some places).

I’m so sick of people and their agendas on both sides.