***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

The reinfected thing appears pretty rare at this point.

It appears as if we have pretty solid immunity with T cells and antibodies so I’m hopeful

So what’s “lasting immunity” from those do you think? 6 months, 12 months?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

So what’s “lasting immunity” from those do you think? 6 months, 12 months?

As long as you don’t get massive mutations in antigen parts of this thing you’ll likely always have “some immunity”. People still have immunity to SARS 1 17 years later.

It may not be full blown not get it immunity but I’m guessing more along the lines of get it and slight inconvenience illness kinda immunity

People get to caught up in influenza things but these are a lot different

[O.city]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.20157149v1

So this is basically saying people with no time around kids and their sniffly coronavirus colds have a higher incidence of severe infections.

Interesting

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Long lasting means what to you? This started in March and there are people becoming reinfected with symptoms a second time. It seems rare but can still happen. What makes someone else able to get reinfected and what gives me possible “lasting” immunity? We don’t know this answer and lasting immunity would be 12 months or more for my definition.

A doctor in Alabama was on TV the other night and he had a patient test positive in March and got really sick for 2-3 weeks and then got better.

Then in June he got covid again and tested positive. They also tested him for antibodies, and he had those, but he kept getting sicker and sicker and last week he died of covid.

Luckily we haven't heard many of these stories yet but we are only in month 6.

[O.city]

I would also caution you guys about that stuff being solely a Covid thing. That happens with damn near every viral infection. It’s not necessarily uncommon.

So always take anecdotal stuff with a grain of salt

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

As long as you don’t get massive mutations in antigen parts of this thing you’ll likely always have “some immunity”. People still have immunity to SARS 1 17 years later.

It may not be full blown not get it immunity but I’m guessing more along the lines of get it and slight inconvenience illness kinda immunity

People get to caught up in influenza things but these are a lot different

That sounds wonderful and I hope you’re right.

Thanks for your info.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

That sounds wonderful and I hope you’re right.

Thanks for your info.

I would take everything I say very lightly. I am by no means an expert. It’s been a while since virology and immunology

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

So the new cdc study saying you’re only infectious about 5 days after showing symptoms. Did I read that right?

Really??

[O.city]

Damn near every country that had this under control is now having issues. ****.

I’m hoping we are nearing some immunity. 2020 owes us a break

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would also caution you guys about that stuff being solely a Covid thing. That happens with damn near every viral infection. It’s not necessarily uncommon.

So always take anecdotal stuff with a grain of salt

I agree mostly but this was his doctor so I am going to put a higher value on that information. Plus no one has any idea at this point how long immunity does last.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree mostly but this was his doctor so I am going to put a higher value on that information. Plus no one has any idea at this point how long immunity does last.

There was also a "doctor" a while back claiming he treated everyone successfully with hydroxycloriquine.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

There was also a "doctor" a while back claiming he treated everyone successfully with hydroxycloriquine.

Fair point

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.20157149v1

So this is basically saying people with no time around kids and their sniffly coronavirus colds have a higher incidence of severe infections.

Interesting

Makes sense. My kids are 5 and 2, and the last 4 years I have never gotten sick so damn often. I'm sure my antibodies are on steroids.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Makes sense. My kids are 5 and 2, and the last 4 years I have never gotten sick so damn often. I'm sure my antibodies are on steroids.

Yeah we have 7 and 5 and 10 months. It’s always something at our house

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah we have 7 and 5 and 10 months. It’s always something at our house

You would think hospital workers would be really immune to this but that doesn’t seem to be the cases., although we take more precautions at work than at home with kids but we do get exposed to pretty much everything.