***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Worldometers is showing half the cases of that

Actually showing over 1500 for today on worldometers


1593 to be exact

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Actually showing over 1500 for today on worldometers


1593 to be exact

6 hours later.....okay

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

What did I do?

Looks like we came under last Monday. That's a good thing, right?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Pants

I have no idea why they're comparing Sweden to the UK, Italy and Spain instead of say, Finland.



How is Finland faring? How about Norway?



That's like comparing NYC to Salina, KS.

It's weird to me seeing Finland compared to Sweden, they really aren't as similar as people seem to think they are. Norway is iffy too. Denmark is a better comparison imo.

Regardless, Sweden's strategy was all about being prepared for a second wave and avoiding the negative unintended consequences that come with strict mitigation efforts. People tend to overlook the excess deaths that come from strict measures.



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[Monticore]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

It's weird to me seeing Finland compared to Sweden, they really aren't as similar as people seem to think they are. Norway is iffy too. Denmark is a better comparison imo.

Regardless, Sweden's strategy was all about being prepared for a second wave and avoiding the negative unintended consequences that come with strict mitigation efforts. People tend to overlook the excess deaths that come from strict measures.



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Which excess deaths would you be referring to ?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Which excess deaths would you be referring to ?

The hard part with those are gonna be that they aren't all gonna happen at one time or fast. We won't know about those for years.

Missed cancer diagnosis is one thing I've heard some docs are struggling with. There's a litany of others I'm guessing he's talking about though too.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by tk13

No, 150K people are dead because of stuff like this. I just think it's horrible and the way people like you act is appalling. But the truth is you have no remorse and you get perverse joy out of doing this and twisting the knife, so there's really no point to be here and bother with this.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude are you on crack or something?

YOU did it Pete. YOU. If you would have just pretended to be outraged and afraid, none of this would have happened.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

YOU did it Pete. YOU. If you would have just pretended to be outraged and afraid, none of this would have happened.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

The hard part with those are gonna be that they aren't all gonna happen at one time or fast. We won't know about those for years.

Missed cancer diagnosis is one thing I've heard some docs are struggling with. There's a litany of others I'm guessing he's talking about though too.

I don’t think Hospitals would have been able to function normally during a pandemic and those types of things would be the same without or without lockdowns, trying to run Hospitals wth people acting/working normally surely would have increased the odds of them being overwhelmed and also increasing the risks of getting covid in hospital would have increased as well .

It is hard to quantify but just having more people work from home instead of commuting probably saved some lives .

But who knows

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don’t think Hospitals would have been able to function normally during a pandemic and those types of things would be the same without or without lockdowns, trying to run Hospitals wth people acting/working normally surely would have increased the odds of them being overwhelmed and also increasing the risks of getting covid in hospital would have increased as well .

It is hard to quantify but just having more people work from home instead of commuting probably saved some lives .

But who knows

Suicides and deaths by domestic violence are two major ones not being discussed here, but discussed widely on social media as being heavily impacted by the lockdowns.

[Rain Man]

I'm at a doctor's office as my wife has a routine checkup thing, and they have a nice big seating area outside. There are probably 20 seating areas that are nicely socially distanced with maybe 50 or 60 seats at them.

I'm sitting there and a masked lady toddles toward me with her cane. I'm thinking, nooooo, there are 20 different seating areas and 18 of them are empty. You're not coming to mine. She's getting closer. No. Closer. No. She toddles up, turns around, and plants her rear end right next to me. Other than sitting on my lap, she could not have made a worse choice. So I got up and moved. I have no idea how people think sometimes. She was wearing a mask and in a medical facility. How did she not think about distancing?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm at a doctor's office as my wife has a routine checkup thing, and they have a nice big seating area outside. There are probably 20 seating areas that are nicely socially distanced with maybe 50 or 60 seats at them.

I'm sitting there and a masked lady toddles toward me with her cane. I'm thinking, nooooo, there are 20 different seating areas and 18 of them are empty. You're not coming to mine. She's getting closer. No. Closer. No. She toddles up, turns around, and plants her rear end right next to me. Other than sitting on my lap, she could not have made a worse choice. So I got up and moved. I have no idea how people think sometimes. She was wearing a mask and in a medical facility. How did she not think about distancing?

Perhaps you smelled nice. Were you wearing a Patrick Mahomes T-Shirt?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm at a doctor's office as my wife has a routine checkup thing, and they have a nice big seating area outside. There are probably 20 seating areas that are nicely socially distanced with maybe 50 or 60 seats at them.

I'm sitting there and a masked lady toddles toward me with her cane. I'm thinking, nooooo, there are 20 different seating areas and 18 of them are empty. You're not coming to mine. She's getting closer. No. Closer. No. She toddles up, turns around, and plants her rear end right next to me. Other than sitting on my lap, she could not have made a worse choice. So I got up and moved. I have no idea how people think sometimes. She was wearing a mask and in a medical facility. How did she not think about distancing?

There’s a misconception that masks are 100% preventative by many. We know they are not. They must be paired with social distancing to make them extremely effective. Your scenario is very common sadly. People won’t take 5 minutes to educate themselves about COVID precautions.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

6 hours later.....okay

WTF does that have to do with anything?


the numbers are updated later in the day lately...

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Suicides and deaths by domestic violence are two major ones not being discussed here, but discussed widely on social media as being heavily impacted by the lockdowns.

got some numbers on those suicides?


i keep hearing talk of all those extra people offing themselves but no one will ever put a number to it.



how about the domestic violence murders? numbers?