***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Here is part of the video btw. The other lady guest is currently doing a study on children and covid.

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— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 11, 2020

I have to call just a slight amount of BS on this. The Lady doctor referenced decades of evidence of children spreading every other "respiratory virus". There have been more and more studies showing this is not respiratory but rather it is vascular. Thus the reason kids are not impacted and adults are which as I understand it is the complete opposite of typical respiratory infections.

And given the top underlying causes it does seem to be that this is a vascular disease. High blood pressure. Heart disease. Obesity. Diabetes. These are all vascular issues.

Is COVID-19 a vascular or respiratory disease?
https://whitecoats.com/allaboutcovid...atory-disease/

Max Minute: Maybe COVID-19 Is Not Just A Respiratory Illness, But Also A Vascular One
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06...ls-max-minute/

Several recent studies have found that this coronavirus infects and damages endothelial cells that line the inside of all blood vessels. These protective cells influence everything from blood clotting to immune response, and the receptor that this virus uses to break into and infect cells is found in virtually every cell in the body, especially endothelial cells.

Damaged endothelial cells set off runaway inflammation, and promote blood clot formation. That can explain the odd mix of diseases from heart attacks, strokes, to lung damage, and even COVID toes. It could also account for the high mortality in people with pre-existing conditions like high blood pressure, diabetes, and high cholesterol, all diseases known to impact endothelial cells.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by lewdog

The question is not the positive tests though, it's the actual ability for children to transmit the virus. Children carry much more COVID viral RNA but that doesn't necessarily equate to sharing.

This is a lengthy article/blog but very good. I encourage you to read it.

Basically, we still don't know enough about this to draw conclusions to either side with children. I do think they transmit this virus less than you'd expect though, and certainly less than adults (that's pretty clear).

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/ch...emains-unclear

Yep they were discussing transmissions by kids. As the lady doctor said, kids get covid and transmit covid but what is not known is how much they transmit.

Thanks for the link I will take a look.

[suzzer99]

Regardless of how much kids under the age of 10 transmit it, kids over 10 and definitely teenagers seem to transmit just as much as adults.

[Chief Pagan]

Do 9-11.

Originally Posted by DaFace

2977/285 million = 0.00001%

I remember my boss getting really angry when I told him more Americans died each year from e coli spread by meat packing plants than died in 9-11.

He was almost as mad as when I told him that the best thing Nixon had done was die so Federal workers could get a day of paid leave.

[dirk digler]

Anyone want to volunteer to take the Russian vaccine?

Russia clears virus vaccine despite scientific skepticism

https://apnews.com/fcda62ad992db414d65f23b2adb78e44

Russia on Tuesday became the first country to clear a coronavirus vaccine and declare it ready for use, despite international skepticism. President Vladimir Putin said that one of his daughters has already been inoculated.

Putin emphasized that the vaccine underwent the necessary tests and has proven efficient, offering a lasting immunity from the coronavirus. However, scientists at home and abroad have been sounding the alarm that the rush to start using the vaccine before Phase 3 trials — which normally last for months and involve thousands of people — could backfire.

Speaking at a government meeting Tuesday, Putin said that the vaccine has undergone proper testing and is safe.

“I know it has proven efficient and forms a stable immunity, and I would like to repeat that it has passed all the necessary tests,” he said. “We must be grateful to those who made that first step very important for our country and the entire world.”

The Russian leader added that one of his two adult daughters has received two shots of the vaccine. “She has taken part in the experiment,” Putin said.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Dr. Haseltine had some good info tonight and that you have to break down kids by age so here is what he is seeing:

Ages 0-6: kids transmit the virus the most of any age group by a factor of 1000

Ages 6-13: this age group will get the worst symptoms, ie hospitalizations

Ages 13-above: transmit and receive just like adults

Also he pointed out that since this is a coronavirus just like the cold, kids are the main transmitters of both colds and flu so you can expect the same with covid.


Some good news an Infectious Disease Doctor from the Mayo clinic is talking about his study and their finding that current vaccines is contributing to the asymptomatic people.

So this Dr has solid evidence that goes completely against what almost everyone else in the world is saying. Got it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Anyone want to volunteer to take the Russian vaccine?

Russia clears virus vaccine despite scientific skepticism

https://apnews.com/fcda62ad992db414d65f23b2adb78e44

This is a bad idea

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Anyone want to volunteer to take the Russian vaccine?

Russia clears virus vaccine despite scientific skepticism

https://apnews.com/fcda62ad992db414d65f23b2adb78e44

This is a bad idea

[BigCatDaddy]

I volunteer Donger to take a ride on Sputnik-V.

[dlphg9]

Well **** how much they paying? Ill let someone shoot lots of stuff inside my body for enough money!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Well **** how much they paying? Ill let someone shoot lots of stuff inside my body for enough money!

That's what your mom said

[O.city]

New Zealand has 4 new cases from a family with no history of travel. So the whole "we squashed it" is kinda off the table.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is a bad idea

Yep. On the other hand, if it works, it'll be nice to have a huge trial of it before the rest of the world tries it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Do 9-11.



I remember my boss getting really angry when I told him more Americans died each year from e coli spread by meat packing plants than died in 9-11.

He was almost as mad as when I told him that the best thing Nixon had done was die so Federal workers could get a day of paid leave.

More people die every year in vending machine accidents than Shark attacks.

[KCUnited]

Illinois school district says no pajamas for online classes

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/...nline-classes/

[TLO]

Antibody test was negative. Not terribly surprised, but was kind of hoping it would come back positive.