***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

If you can't play football, there's no chance in hell you can play basketball.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, a few cases cropped up and they are going to locally lock down for a few days.

People have issue with this, why?

"You can never avoid lockdowns" I think is the insinuation. I'd gladly take a lockdown for a week if it means no restrictions whatsoever otherwise, but that's me.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, a few cases cropped up and they are going to locally lock down for a few days.

People have issue with this, why?

If their plan is to keep doing it this way until...well whenever...more power to them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Yeah, it sucks. My oldest missed his spring soccer season and my middle son missed his 7th grade track season. He already had USATF and AAU times from nationals (in the 200, 400, and 800) that would have shattered the school records. That sucks, but what really stinks was all of the training that he would have done in pursuit of those goals. Now, we're simply hanging on for football and really praying that basketball is here in winter. AAU tournaments have kept the kids playing, but cancelling the school season would be tough.

I just paid $400 for my kid to play soccer this fall and I have to watch from 400 yards away through a fence because parents are not allowed in the wide open, outside soccer complex.

But if I wanna go run down the street setting shit on fire and busting out windows it's all good.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

"You can never avoid lockdowns" I think is the insinuation. I'd gladly take a lockdown for a week if it means no restrictions whatsoever otherwise, but that's me.

This hasn't happened anywhere to my knowledge.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

"You can never avoid lockdowns" I think is the insinuation. I'd gladly take a lockdown for a week if it means no restrictions whatsoever otherwise, but that's me.

I'm guessing it is "See! NZ locked down and they got four cases three months later!! See, there's no point in lockdowns!!"

Which, of course, is completely illogical.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This hasn't happened anywhere to my knowledge.

Prior to this, NZ had almost nothing. No masks. No distancing. Large gatherings were allowed.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I just paid $400 for my kid to play soccer this fall and I have to watch from 400 yards away through a fence because parents are not allowed in the wide open, outside soccer complex.

But if I wanna go run down the street setting shit on fire and busting out windows it's all good.

You can also party with 200,000 people in Sturgis. But you're right, it's all good.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

If their plan is to keep doing it this way until...well whenever...more power to them.

That seems to be their plan, yes. That was our plan, too, of course.

[O.city]

I think we can all agree that NZ is a very unique situation and isn't really comparable to anything here, no?

They depend on travel and tourism economically so this will be tough for them I'd think.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think we can all agree that NZ is a very unique situation and isn't really comparable to anything here, no?

They depend on travel and tourism economically so this will be tough for them I'd think.

Sounds like one of our states.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sounds like one of our states.

Hows that going for them? Oh.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, a few cases cropped up and they are going to locally lock down for a few days.

People have issue with this, why?

They are doing it the right way IMHO. I am reminded of this guy's article about the hammer and the dance.

We did a half assed mitigation strategy.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56

The Hammer

First, you act quickly and aggressively. For all the reasons we mentioned above, given the value of time, we want to quench this thing as soon as possible.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Prior to this, NZ had almost nothing. No masks. No distancing. Large gatherings were allowed.

So they locked down, then they unlocked down, then they locked down again.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hows that going for them? Oh.

Not very well recently, since many people pretty much stopped following mitigation efforts.