***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

They came to the conclusion that the study wasn't very good?

Yes.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

I watched the BVSD Board meeting. Blue Valley schools will resume in person learning as scheduled on 9/9. On top of that, high school sports and activities will be allowed.

Did you move?

[Discuss Thrower]

Regarding my question to OCity about Influenza tracking.

"COVID-19 symptoms often appear in this order, according to a new study"

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Regarding my question to OCity about Influenza tracking.

"COVID-19 symptoms often appear in this order, according to a new study"

I was wondering. Thats wild.

So yeah, if we did mass influenza testing on everyone, what would we find?

The more I've read on the surveillance and tracking of post infection with this, I don't think the asymptomatic spread is really a contributor.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I was wondering. Thats wild.

So yeah, if we did mass influenza testing on everyone, what would we find?

The more I've read on the surveillance and tracking of post infection with this, I don't think the asymptomatic spread is really a contributor.

Ironically fever is a symptom in less than half the cases in JoCo. In fact "subjective fever" is only in 43% of cases and "fever" is in only 37%.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Here is the frustrating part with some of this shit....% positive in JoCo has been pretty steady since the end of June. We had a small spike at the end of July but there have been 0 deaths of anyone under 70, 1 70-80 and unfortunately about 10 or so 80+. Again no one under the age of 29 has died in JoCo even though the 20-29 age group has the most cases .

I don't see any data that says don't open schools.

You know, there may actually be a point in all of this where getting the virus doesn't mean the world will end.

I mean pre-covid if a child got say pneumonia you would be concerned but the fear of death would be rather remote even though it has killed more kids than Covid.

By the same token if an elderly person or even someone in their 60's got pneumonia you would be very worried.

But we didn't shut down schools in either case and the data doesn't show we need to now.

Apparently they are seeing significant rising cases.

Health officials in Johnson County, Kansas, shared guidance Tuesday for reopening schools with the superintendents of the county's six school districts.

The Health Department said the county is in the Red Zone for COVID-19. In the last 14 days, the average number of new cases has increased. The percentage of positive cases has also gone up.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I was wondering. Thats wild.

So yeah, if we did mass influenza testing on everyone, what would we find?

The more I've read on the surveillance and tracking of post infection with this, I don't think the asymptomatic spread is really a contributor.

This sure does sound familiar.

Each winter, influenza infected 18% of unvaccinated people on average. There were 69 respiratory illnesses per 100 person-influenza seasons among those infected with influenza, compared with 44 per 100 in those not infected. Among infected individuals, the age-adjusted attributable rate of illness was 23 illnesses per 100 person-seasons, indicating that most influenza infections are asymptomatic.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Apparently they are seeing significant rising cases.

That is not true. Even on the Johnson County website noting the gating criteria, the 14 day averages of cases is listed as stable.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Apparently they are seeing significant rising cases.

Horseshit. As stated, the cases have been largely the same over the last month and a half.

All this shit started the weekend after Dr. Birx came to town and told everyone their families are all positve.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Horseshit. As stated, the cases have been largely the same over the last month and a half.

All this shit started the weekend after Dr. Birx came to town and told everyone their families are all positve.

Nationally we are at the same rolling 7 day average for new cases as we were July 3rd. Seems we are on the back side of the curve.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nationally we are at the same rolling 7 day average for new cases as we were July 3rd. Seems we are on the back side of the curve.

That's the other thing. One place uses a 7 day average and another uses a 14.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nationally we are at the same rolling 7 day average for new cases as we were July 3rd. Seems we are on the back side of the curve.

I hope so. But I'm guessing as the South and West cool, the Midwest is gonna fire up and take off.

Hopefully not.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by kgrund

That is not true. Even on the Johnson County website noting the gating criteria, the 14 day averages of cases is listed as stable.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Horseshit. As stated, the cases have been largely the same over the last month and a half.

All this shit started the weekend after Dr. Birx came to town and told everyone their families are all positve.

Don't shoot the messenger I just quoted what your HD said

BTW this link is on the front page of Johnson County Site

https://www.jocogov.org/article/2020/08/18/14567

Johnson County public health officials and school district leaders met today, Aug. 18, to review the most recent science and data regarding the spread of COVID-19 infections within the county. School districts will use this information as guidance to make decisions for each of their districts regarding the safest learning mode to begin the 2020-2021 school year.

Consistent with the gating criteria released earlier and based on the number of new infections and the trajectory of positivity rate, Johnson County is in the Red zone and is recommending:

Elementary schools should make available in-class learning, with safe opening principles
Elementary extra and cocurricular activities should be remote only
Middle and high schools and all extra and cocurricular activities should be remote only
“The spread of the virus is still increasing in Johnson County. The risk of exposure to the virus is low in schools when community transmission is low,” said Johnson County Department of Health and Environment Director Dr. Sanmi Areola. “Unfortunately, we have not met the threshold in the school gating criteria for a safe return to in-person learning, even for a hybrid model.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Don't shoot the messenger I just quoted what your HD said

BTW this link is on the front page of Johnson County Site

https://www.jocogov.org/article/2020/08/18/14567

Yes, I am aware of that. And the problem is some of the districts are taking everything to all remote including elementary. I don't know how more plainly it needs to be put but you CANNOT TEACH A 7 YEAR OLD OVER A COMPUTER!

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, I am aware of that. And the problem is some of the districts are taking everything to all remote including elementary. I don't know how more plainly it needs to be put but you CANNOT TEACH A 7 YEAR OLD OVER A COMPUTER!

Actually I have a recently turned 7 year old and he took courses to end kindergarten over zoom and we’ve had him in Sylvan all summer also over zoom and hes tested out in the 98 percentile or better so they suggested he go straight to 2nd grade so he would stay academically challenged when the new year starts (bubble age, questionable maturity). We do read together a lot and complete math work books and flash cards but I strongly believe the majority of his academic gains the last 5 months from the online Sylvan courses, granted they are in smaller groups than he’d receive from remote elementary. My point is you CAN teach a 7 year old over a computer, but it takes intentional focus from schools and parents working in unison to pull off.