***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Ask New Yorkers.

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[Bowser]

I would have people understand that increased testing equals increased positives, especially in a country of our size.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Italy is about the same as the Northeast of the US, so I'd say our curves were about the same in that respect.

Granted, we now have the West and South and Midwest in that later area. So we're pretty much 4 Italy's

Yes, they are virtually identical.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I would have people understand that increased testing equals increased positives, especially in a country of our size.

Positives as in confirmed infections, or the positivity percentage of tests?

[Marcellus]

That sure was a really stupid way to go about saying if the US was the size of Italy we would be past this.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That sure was a really stupid way to go about saying if the US was the size of Italy we would be past this.

[TLO]

Missouri as a whole may be on the downswing. Number of cases per day is holding fairly steady and % positive is dropping little by little.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That sure was a really stupid way to go about saying if the US was the size of Italy we would be past this.

It was actually a really good way of saying that after taking it in the ass, New York has demonstrated a successful way to drive down the R0 of this bug.

As a nation, we had a very similar plan. It just wasn't followed.

[petegz28]

Yes, NY who still to this day has more deaths than FL, TX and CA combined has shown us all the way.......

Edit: I slightly correct myself as combined FL, TX and CA now have as any deaths as NY alone. It took 2 months but hey....

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, NY who still to this day has more deaths than FL, TX and CA combined has shown us all the way.......

Edit: I slightly correct myself as combined FL, TX and CA now have as any deaths as NY alone. It took 2 months but hey....

Sure, they got hit first hard with a new virus. They suffered terrible death rates. It seems that we've figured out how to better treat this thing, and/or the virus is less lethal now. Maybe something else.

But unless you think NY reached HI in less than a month, they drove the virus down via their mitigation efforts, and phased re-opening.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, NY who still to this day has more deaths than FL, TX and CA combined has shown us all the way.......

Edit: I slightly correct myself as combined FL, TX and CA now have as any deaths as NY alone. It took 2 months but hey....

How can you take anyone seriously who says NY is the model example? They have over 3x the death rate per million that Italy had FFS. By that metric he should be talking about how great NJ did.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

How can you take anyone seriously who says NY is the model example? They have over 3x the death rate per million that Italy had FFS. By that metric he should be talking about how great NJ did.

See above. How do you explain how NY has driven down, and kept down, new cases?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

See above. How do you explain how NY has driven down, and kept down, new cases?

How do you explain 3x the death rate as Italy who got hit well before NY?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

It was actually a really good way of saying that after taking it in the ass, New York has demonstrated a successful way to drive down the R0 of this bug.

As a nation, we had a very similar plan. It just wasn't followed.

Why has every curve down looked the same, no matter what tools of slowing this thing down are used?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sure, they got hit first hard with a new virus. They suffered terrible death rates. It seems that we've figured out how to better treat this thing, and/or the virus is less lethal now. Maybe something else.

But unless you think NY reached HI in less than a month, they drove the virus down via their mitigation efforts, and phased re-opening.

What does time have to do with reaching HI?

If they were having 100k infections per day, yeah they probably got there fairly quick.