***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Well... I did post this link to an article yesterday.

There's not much to that, is there. What previously tests? What were the false positive rates?

[BigCatDaddy]

Is it just me or has there been a huge push to get shit back to normal regardless or cases the last week or so? Big 10 football talking about playing in November, Suburban KCI voting 27-0 to play fall sports, positive cases out the ass at Universitys and we just go full speed ahead as planned. I think Covid fatigue has set in and people are done with dancing around it.

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Is it just me or has there been a huge push to get shit back to normal regardless or cases the last week or so? Big 10 football talking about playing in November, Suburban KCI voting 27-0 to play fall sports, positive cases out the ass at Universitys and we just go full speed ahead as planned. I think Covid fatigue has set in and people are done with dancing around it.

Well, what is the fatality rate if you are under 65 with no comorbidities?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hawker007

Well, what is the fatality rate if you are under 65 with no comorbidities?

I'm not complaining. It just feels like there has been a major shift recently.

[Hawker007]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm not complaining. It just feels like there has been a major shift recently.

Oh ya, and I didn’t mean to imply that at all. I actually don’t know what it is and I’m wondering myself because that’s a big reason IMO. And, you know, an election is coming up 😉

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Hawker007

Well, what is the fatality rate if you are under 65 with no comorbidities?

Nationally I don't know. Here in Johnson County, Ks there have been 9 deaths of people under the age of 69 with the youngest being 29. Also I do not know what the comorbidity situation was. Nonetheless it comes out to .1%.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Nationally I don't know. Here in Johnson County, Ks there have been 9 deaths of people under the age of 69 with the youngest being 29. Also I do not know what the comorbidity situation was. Nonetheless it comes out to .1%.

But cases!!! Even though up to 90 percent of them are likely bogus and or harmless..99.9 percent of the time most people will be fine

[petegz28]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ZvvzmtBj0OhRa0

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ZvvzmtBj0OhRa0

This isn't really new. Doctors in Italy were saying this months ago. Many Covid fatalities are simply an acceleration for people with little time left. That is a fact but it doesn't mean that losing an extra month or year of life isn't tragic, it's just something to keep in perspective.

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[suzzer99]

Pete's tweet says "actually died of covid" whereas the CDC page says "covid was the only cause mentioned" - which is pretty disingenuous imo. Some of the other comorbidities listed are stuff like diabetes and obesity.



So DrElizabeth is asserting anyone with diabetes who dies of covid - actually died of diabetes.

This is so ludicrous we shouldn't even have to waste time discussing it. It's exhausting dealing with this kind of nonsense disinformation day in, day out. Which I suspect is suspect is the intent.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

This isn't really new. Doctors in Italy were saying this months ago. Many Covid fatalities are simply an acceleration for people with little time left. That is a fact but it doesn't mean that losing an extra month or year of life isn't tragic, it's just something to keep in perspective.

And this is reason enough to to shutter an economy, ruin tens of thousands of businesses and millions of individuals financially? "That" also needs to be kept in perspective.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

And this is reason enough to to shutter an economy, ruin tens of thousands of businesses and millions of individuals financially? "That" also needs to be kept in perspective.

Reasons and cases and things

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

And this is reason enough to to shutter an economy, ruin tens of thousands of businesses and millions of individuals financially? "That" also needs to be kept in perspective.

And the suicides and people who avoided treatment for other conditions that did so because of the over emotional response we've seen. We've been terrible about looking at the big picture regarding all of this.

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

And the suicides and people who avoided treatment for other conditions that did so because of the over emotional response we've seen. We've been terrible about looking at the big picture regarding all of this.

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No we haven't. You can only die of Covid now. If someone suicided themselves it's a "Covid related death" so it counts as Covid.

[petegz28]

What we have watched come to light over the last 1-2 weeks really has not fed the doom and gloom narrative and those who found their virtue in being afraid are now getting a bit pissy.

There are actually more "false positives" than we thought or wanted to believe
Testing results are being skewed by various agencies to push a fear based narrative
Tests are too sensitive causing false positives
We don't need people to test unless they show symptoms


I know I am still leaving a few things out