*****The L'Jarius Sneed Thread*****

[staylor26]

At some point you have to acknowledge that Spags is just really ****ing good at getting the most out of his corners.

I’m sure there will still be people bitching if we don’t take a corner early next year though.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m sure there will still be people bitching if we don’t take a corner early next year though.

It's already begun

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

At some point you have to acknowledge that Spags is just really ****ing good at getting the most out of his corners.

I’m sure there will still be people bitching if we don’t take a corner early next year though.

Honestly, I still think it's pretty hard to argue that Sutton didn't get more out of his corners than their talent dictated.

He made Nelson a very wealthy man and Peters, as good as he is, has never been as good as he was here. Sean Smith, Marcus Cooper, Terrance Mitchell - he made chicken salad out of chicken shit several times.

The difference may end up being staying power. If Spags can get guys like Sneed to be more than the one-year wonder types that Gaines, Cooper and Mitchell proved to be (even Nelson was never truly consistent), that would be enormous.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Honestly, I still think it's pretty hard to argue that Sutton didn't get more out of his corners than their talent dictated.

This may be a bit early in the game to make this kind of statement because he's only been the GM since 2018, but it seems as if Veach is better at identifying talent for the Jim Johnson/Steve Spagnuolo scheme better than Dorsey was at identifying talent for Sutton's scheme.

Considering Veach spent nearly a decade of his career helping to identify talent in Philly, it makes sense that he has a very good idea of what and who will work in this particular defense. And it's not just been at cornerback, as we've seen him hit on safety, third and fifth round defensive linemen and so on.

I still can't figure out what's going on with him at linebacker. Is it that the Chiefs and this defense just don't put an emphasis (i.e., draft value) at the linebacker position in this scheme or that they just haven't felt the need to make it priority?

In a way, their indifference to spending high draft picks and big time free agent money at linebacker is similar to the way they've prioritized offensive lineman. They've spent big bucks on Schwartz and on Hitchens, although I should add that Andy knows the exact skillset he wants from his big guys, and can basically grab soon-to-be effective players anywhere, including late in the draft or as UDFA's.

But the linebacker thing is somewhat of a mystery.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I still can't figure out what's going on with him at linebacker. Is it that the Chiefs and this defense just don't put an emphasis (i.e., draft value) at the linebacker position in this scheme or that they just haven't felt the need to make it priority?

In a way, their indifference to spending high draft picks and big time free agent money at linebacker is similar to the way they've prioritized offensive lineman. They've spent big bucks on Schwartz and on Hitchens, although I should add that Andy knows the exact skillset he wants from his big guys, and can basically grab soon-to-be effective players anywhere, including late in the draft or as UDFA's.

But the linebacker thing is somewhat of a mystery.

Which would be so odd as Spags will tell anyone that listens that the 2 hardest roles on his defenses are DE and LB.

In terms of read keys and positioning, his defense flows from those 2 spots. He hammers on how critical they are in this scheme.

I wonder if they'll spend money but not draft capital on the spots because he wants to see how guys thing through the game at THIS level before he'll trust them.

Or maybe he's just working with what he has and the Chiefs see too much sunk cost in Hitchens.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I wonder if they'll spend money but not draft capital on the spots because he wants to see how guys thing through the game at THIS level before he'll trust them.

Or maybe he's just working with what he has and the Chiefs see too much sunk cost in Hitchens.

It's interesting, isn't it? And while I certainly don't hate on the guy, as some signings just do not work out, but wow, is that Hitchens contract bad or what??!

Considering the cap floor may be $175 million next year (although I highly doubt it'll be that low), they can't even begin to think about releasing him until 2022.

That was maybe the worst free agent signing after extending Eric Berry. Even the $4 million Dorsey inexplicably wasted by cutting, then re-signing Hali to a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal, pales in comparison.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's interesting, isn't it? And while I certainly don't hate on the guy, as some signings just do not work out, but wow, is that Hitchens contract bad or what??!

Considering the cap floor may be $175 million next year (although I highly doubt it'll be that low), they can't even begin to think about releasing him until 2022.

That was maybe the worst free agent signing after extending Eric Berry. Even the $4 million Dorsey inexplicably wasted by cutting, then re-signing Hali to a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal, pales in comparison.

Dunta Robinson, the trade for Ben Grubbs and the Hitchens Signings are the worst deals thus far.

Hopefully Hitchens gets his act together and gives us the player that was very good for Dallas.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Sneed needs to replace Sorensons spot

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dunta Robinson, the trade for Ben Grubbs and the Hitchens Signings are the worst deals thus far.

Hopefully Hitchens gets his act together and gives us the player that was very good for Dallas.

eh?

The first two didn't happen on Veach's watch.

And hell, the Grubbs trade just didn't matter - cost us a 5th, who cares? Guy got hurt, Allen/Fulton picked up the slack and we ended up back where we started, down a 5th round pick.

If Grubbs is the worst move a team makes in any given YEAR, that team's had a good year. That thing damn sure doesn't deserve to be on any 'worst of' lists.

Robinson was a bit of a yikes, I'll grant you. But even he was a veteran free agent who ended up costing less than $5 million. Would you rather NOT pay that to see a guy get roasted alive in the playoffs by TY Hilton? Yes, yes you would. But that was just a product of a damn thin roster. Pioli left the cupboard pretty bare in terms of depth in the secondary.

Pretty defensible decision w/ little long-term damage done to the roster. The issue was that he was needed in the first place and that wasn't an issue of Dorsey/Reid's doing.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This may be a bit early in the game to make this kind of statement because he's only been the GM since 2018, but it seems as if Veach is better at identifying talent for the Jim Johnson/Steve Spagnuolo scheme better than Dorsey was at identifying talent for Sutton's scheme.

Considering Veach spent nearly a decade of his career helping to identify talent in Philly, it makes sense that he has a very good idea of what and who will work in this particular defense. And it's not just been at cornerback, as we've seen him hit on safety, third and fifth round defensive linemen and so on.

I still can't figure out what's going on with him at linebacker. Is it that the Chiefs and this defense just don't put an emphasis (i.e., draft value) at the linebacker position in this scheme or that they just haven't felt the need to make it priority?

In a way, their indifference to spending high draft picks and big time free agent money at linebacker is similar to the way they've prioritized offensive lineman. They've spent big bucks on Schwartz and on Hitchens, although I should add that Andy knows the exact skillset he wants from his big guys, and can basically grab soon-to-be effective players anywhere, including late in the draft or as UDFA's.

But the linebacker thing is somewhat of a mystery.

It IS, but they did draft Gay in the 2nd round. So clearly they were seeking an upgrade. I agree though it is confusing.