***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The 6% thing making the rounds was just a couple of weeks ago. It showed up in this thread multiple times. We had to waste energy debunking something that should have been obvious to a reasonably intelligent 3rd-grader: if you have lived with diabetes for decades, and then die of covid, you did not die from diabetes. You died from covid.

Please point me to the posts where you spent time debunking this nonsense, as many of us did, and I'll take your claims more seriously that you're just seeking the truth.

I've spent plenty of energy itt debunking wild claims both the covid hoax side and the covid catastrophe side (IE -78% have permanent heart damage) - as have O.City, TLO, Lewdog, Hamas, donger and a bunch more I'm forgetting. We literally just want to figure this thing out.

You have spent plenty of time posting bullshit too like Europe's worst spikes aren't as bad as the US best days so you can climb down off your horse there bud.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by sedated

Like Fauci, and the CDC?

How many times in this thread has someone started with "Fauci said in March...:"

We are talking about posters comment/opinions specifically.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are talking about posters comment/opinions specifically.

Of course you are

The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming

[TLO]

We have a lot of positive cases up here. I wonder how long this will go on for?

I mean at this point are we just in a holding pattern until we hit herd immunity? I don't see any possible way to even mitigate spread without a full shutdown.

[stumppy]

Greene County, MO. reporting a total of 70 deaths since the pandemic started.

The worse part, 40 were in the last month.

[dlphg9]

I hear a school close to me has 70 students out of school right now, quarantining. I live within 45 minutes of Clinton, MO and they seem to be a hotspot lately, especially the size of that town. Just hoping it doesn't get into a nursing home there or get some elderly people cuz right now the number of deaths has been very low thankfully.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by sedated

Of course you are

The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming

No thats exactly what we were specifically discussing. What posters in this thread believe.

I mean sure yea you can bring up the lies you were told early on if you want I suppose. Those lies created some of those beliefs people had early on.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Greene County, MO. reporting a total of 70 deaths since the pandemic started.

The worse part, 40 were in the last month.

Mainly from nursing homes where people have been locked down and supposedly been masked up and following protocols for months now.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No thats exactly what we were specifically discussing. What posters in this thread believe.

I mean sure yea you can bring up the lies you were told early on if you want I suppose. Those lies created some of those beliefs people had early on.

Let’s start with you. What should we be doing?

Your post above this reeks of masks are worthless and only old people are getting this. I’ll lump you in with the 50% I was talking about.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TLO

I mean at this point are we just in a holding pattern until we hit herd immunity? I don't see any possible way to even mitigate spread without a full shutdown.

Hopefully we are in a holding pattern until we get an effective vaccine.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Let’s start with you. What should we be doing?

Your post above this reeks of masks are worthless and only old people are getting this. I’ll lump you in with the 50% I was talking about.

Well you can lump me all you want Lew but its just a sign that you are very stubborn and blindsided on this topic.

I fully admit I was wrong on this for months. Its been much worse than I expected.

I also still stick to the idea that the high risk need to be isolated for the most part and people in general should be able to live their lives with some precautions. People know the risks Lew there are no secrets at this point.

I am not anti mask, I actually have to spend my time at work enforcing masks and social distancing. I deal with this shit probably as much or more than you do on a daily basis. It seems you haven't been actually paying attention to my posts the last few months.

I do think masks and social distancing combined is stupid. I also think this is mainly an issue with older people and people with compromised immune systems. We both know this.

I also know for a fact the idea that the belief in virus mitigation is based on political party lines is hilariously wrong. I know the because I deal with people all the time not following protocols that I know for a fact dont give 2 ****s about the election or politics. Its way more cultural than political.

But hey go ahead and act like you got it all figured out and know all there is know on this topic and half the people here say lets do "nothing". People like you are the ones drawing political lines in this and ignoring the actual data and realities.

Oh yea and also ignore the fact the story from the CDC and everyone else changes every other day as well but in the end the results are really the same.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well you can lump me all you want Lew but its just a sign that you are very stubborn and blindsided on this topic.

I fully admit I was wrong on this for months. Its been much worse than I expected.

I also still stick to the idea that the high risk need to be isolated for the most part and people in general should be able to live their lives with some precautions. People know the risks Lew there are no secrets at this point.

I am not anti mask, I actually have to spend my time at work enforcing masks and social distancing. I deal with this shit probably as much or more than you do on a daily basis. It seems you haven't been actually paying attention to my posts the last few months.

I do think masks and social distancing combined is stupid. I also think this is mainly an issue with older people and people with compromised immune systems. We both know this.

I also know for a fact the idea that the belief in virus mitigation is based on political party lines is hilariously wrong. I know the because I deal with people all the time not following protocols that I know for a fact dont give 2 ****s about the election or politics. Its way more cultural than political.

But hey go ahead and act like you got it all figured out and know all there is know on this topic and half the people here say lets do "nothing". People like you are the ones drawing political lines in this and ignoring the actual data and realities.

Oh yea and also ignore the fact the story from the CDC and everyone else changes every other day as well but in the end the results are really the same.

Masks and social distancing combined are dumb?

Please explain.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Masks and social distancing combined are dumb?

Please explain.

NO NEED TO WEAR A MASK IF YOU ARENT NEAR ANYONE.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well you can lump me all you want Lew but its just a sign that you are very stubborn and blindsided on this topic.

I fully admit I was wrong on this for months. Its been much worse than I expected.

I also still stick to the idea that the high risk need to be isolated for the most part and people in general should be able to live their lives with some precautions. People know the risks Lew there are no secrets at this point.

I am not anti mask, I actually have to spend my time at work enforcing masks and social distancing. I deal with this shit probably as much or more than you do on a daily basis. It seems you haven't been actually paying attention to my posts the last few months.

I do think masks and social distancing combined is stupid. I also think this is mainly an issue with older people and people with compromised immune systems. We both know this.

I also know for a fact the idea that the belief in virus mitigation is based on political party lines is hilariously wrong. I know the because I deal with people all the time not following protocols that I know for a fact dont give 2 ****s about the election or politics. Its way more cultural than political.

But hey go ahead and act like you got it all figured out and know all there is know on this topic and half the people here say lets do "nothing". People like you are the ones drawing political lines in this and ignoring the actual data and realities.

Oh yea and also ignore the fact the story from the CDC and everyone else changes every other day as well but in the end the results are really the same.

I am sorry a front line worker is questioning your vast knowledge at the factory level! **** me man! You're a ****ing moron if you think this is only affecting old people with shitty health. You should ask those losing loved ones in this thread about that. If you want to go by mortality rate alone, that's another misguided step. I've known dozens of front line workers, in good health, who required hospital stays, including my coworker almost losing his life to this as I documented in this thread. This has been very personal for many. Masks aren't perfect when you are around this virus all day, but should BE COMBINED with social distancing when it allows for best protection. Were you really trying to make a point about wearing a mask when you aren't around anyone (I mean yeah, it's not needed)?

I haven't made a single ****ing political post in this thread. I think we can fully see now that full lockdowns probably aren't the answer as when they end, the virus ramps up it's spread. Instead, making a national mask mandate and recommending social distancing, with all business open would have probably been the best plan from the start. But many places were too slow to act and had to go into full lockdowns in surge states. The CDC hasn't helped one bit and neither have the politicians on both side of this virus.

But you can't tell me that a large portion of this country wants even basic precautions like mask wearing to end. If you can't even wear a mask and understand it's basic use in public, then we can all assume you think we should be doing nothing about this virus. That may not be you, but it sure seems like many in the USA and on this board fit that description.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Mainly from nursing homes where people have been locked down and supposedly been masked up and following protocols for months now.

Hospital capacity is really stretched here now. Some is from nursing homes as they’re really having a lot of issues that they can’t really do anything about. Once it gets in there it’s just like wildfire

Some of it isn’t that though. If anyone is over 60 they’re at risk for this thing. It’s a mother ****er.

Everyone, get your vitamin d. Exercise and eat well. Look at things to do to help your immune system.