***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-2211_article

Here’s a small study about it from back in June

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, cases/infections is where it all starts. This has been covered and explained before, which in and of itself is stunning that it has to be.

No infections, no getting sick. No getting sick, no going to the hospital. And so on.

We've now seen what happens when those "don't mean jack shit" cases rise, twice. As they increase, an increase in deaths follows. Thankfully, last time, deaths weren't as bad as the first increase in cases in March/April.

I understand you don't like that cases appear to be increasing (neither do I), but to say that they mean nothing is either ignorance or lying.

You Don't get it. This shit isn't going away any time soon. Thankfully most of the time people barely woyld know they have it. **** cases..

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You Don't get it. This shit isn't going away any time soon. Thankfully most of the time people barely woyld know they have it. **** cases..

That’s all well and good until it gets into a group of people who do know they have it.

So yeah, cases matter.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You Don't get it. This shit isn't going away any time soon. Thankfully most of the time people barely woyld know they have it. **** cases..

I get it just fine, unfortunately. I realize that it's not going away. It seems to be accelerating.

But yes, **** cases. They suck, I agree. But they don't mean "jack shit" at all, despite you wanting that to be the case (intended). 200,000 are already dead from those "jack shit" cases.

[O.city]

Looks like we’re about thru the end of the first wave as it’s lastly hitting the Midwest

Wave #2 could be starting in the northeast as their cases are increasing

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

That’s all well and good until it gets into a group of people who do know they have it.



So yeah, cases matter.

I know you have had a rough go of it and I really do feel for you. I mean that sincerely. Odds go out the door when it's someone you know, I get it. But we have to stay objective in the long run and the data is still the data. I hate saying that because I know how it comes across.

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[O.city]

Rural MO is getting crushed with this and that’s what’s causing our high hospital numbers here in Greene county.

Unhealthy and obese isn’t a good combo and you throw on lack of access to Healthcare and lack of any mitigation measures and it’s just devastating. They had a youth singing revival at a church in the town I grew up a few weeks ago. They’ve traced back 24 cases on the town from that event.

Not going well down there

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I know you have had a rough go of it and I really do feel for you. I mean that sincerely. Odds go out the door when it's someone you know, I get it. But we have to stay objective in the long run and the data is still the data. I hate saying that because I know how it comes across.

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Stats are stats.

Objectively, if you’re over 60ish and contract this it’s not a good situation and there’s a **** load of people in that situation

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I know you have had a rough go of it and I really do feel for you. I mean that sincerely. Odds go out the door when it's someone you know, I get it. But we have to stay objective in the long run and the data is still the data. I hate saying that because I know how it comes across.

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The high population of this country makes it easy for the fear mongering to get to people with these "numbers" The percentages don't lie that most won't even be effected.

[O.city]

What are the “percentages” of those with underlying conditions?

It’s a bad deal for a lot of people. It’s not hard to take it serious and do things that will help us get thru faster and safer while also allowing businesses and such to move forward.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

More and more information coming out about Vitamin D and its benifits when it comes to covid.

I can't figure out why this isn't emphasized more.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/09...jL_UZQ9Hn4Vvbs

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It sucks those people are putting their health in the hands of someone who thinks this virus infects only old people with shitty immune systems.

The data is the data... It can infect anyone, but those that have compromised immune systems and/or are older are much more at risk from dying... To shut down schools and colleges for this is much more harmful. I have two colleagues whose kids, one in their mid teens and one in college committed suicide and the parents believe it is due to them no physically going to school.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

The data is the data... It can infect anyone, but those that have compromised immune systems and/or are older are much more at risk from dying... To shut down schools and colleges for this is much more harmful. I have two colleagues whose kids, one in their mid teens and one in college committed suicide and the parents believe it is due to them no physically going to school.

Yup. Too much personal bias. The effects of shutting down have been disastrous as well. Something that will have a long term financial and mental health effect.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

The data is the data... It can infect anyone, but those that have compromised immune systems and/or are older are much more at risk from dying... To shut down schools and colleges for this is much more harmful. I have two colleagues whose kids, one in their mid teens and one in college committed suicide and the parents believe it is due to them no physically going to school.

If they committed suicide because of one semester of not being able to physically go to school they probably weren't going to do very well in real life.

Many humans around the globe face much much tougher challenges than having to zoom for a year of school. Yet somehow they cope.

The fear of course is the college kids coming back home with it and killing their parents or grandparents.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Yup. Too much personal bias. The effects of shutting down have been disastrous as well. Something that will have a long term financial and mental health effect.

Personal bias - you mean like just deciding that the mental health effect somehow trumps the very real observed effect of the virus killing people - because you know it in your bones?

I mean are American kids really that unbalanced that a little bit of temporary hardship and sacrifice sends them into suicide? If so we have much bigger problems than the virus imo.