***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I guess I should say like I was told in this thread when I talked about my family having deaths from this that “the data is the data”. Whatever that means.

I’ve had about 15 cases in my family, multiple deaths and hospitalizations up to this point. All from a single event and now it’s happening on the other side of my family in a similar fashion.

I haven’t heard of anyone in my area having issues with depression or any mental issues.

Am I supposed to take that as a fact it’s not happening. Of ****ing course not.

God forbid we have some ****ing empathy for other people who are struggling with anything. ****.

I really don't want to go here but what was the single event and did everyone attend the event do so on their own decision?

You want empathy but it appears only for what you want it for and not anyone else.

I'll put it this way, people are aware of things and make their choices. If they choose to do something and unfortunately it costs them that's not for you to chastise others for their decision.

My Dad and Step Mom were both in the other week to see my Son. They are both very aware of all the risks of Covid but they CHOSE to come up here, see him and spend their time with him. It's not for me to tell them how to live their life.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I guess I should say like I was told in this thread when I talked about my family having deaths from this that “the data is the data”. Whatever that means.

I’ve had about 15 cases in my family, multiple deaths and hospitalizations up to this point. All from a single event and now it’s happening on the other side of my family in a similar fashion.

I haven’t heard of anyone in my area having issues with depression or any mental issues.

Am I supposed to take that as a fact it’s not happening. Of ****ing course not.

God forbid we have some ****ing empathy for other people who are struggling with anything. ****.

Sorry man, I wasn't trying to diminish what you've experienced. Quite the opposite, actually.

To me, the data may be the data, but it isn't the end of the discussion.

Not taking into account personal experiences and going solely by "math" is somewhat inhuman, is it not? Neither your experience nor mine exactly gels with the "data" but that doesn't mean your experience isn't valid.

Or heartbreaking. Like you said, we have to have empathy. Anything less is heartless.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am sure apathy and a few other factors play a big part in this but I think at this point it is mostly political for whatever unfathomable reason.

I look back on this and many people said for many months just to wear a silly mask and test we could get almost get back to normal.

Just look at pro sports, they wear masks all the time and test constantly and guess what, they have little to no cases.

If we would have done this alot sooner covid would be mostly low. Now we are just plateaued at 35k-50k daily cases and 700-1000 daily deaths. I don't hold out any hope for this to get better until there is wide spread vaccine use.

The stupidity of people have kind of beaten me down at this point and is why I haven't been in this thread much of late.

Who is pro sports wears masks besides the coaches and non-players?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I really don't want to go here but what was the single event and did everyone attend the event do so on their own decision?

You want empathy but it appears only for what you want it for and not anyone else.

I'll put it this way, people are aware of things and make their choices. If they choose to do something and unfortunately it costs them that's not for you to chastise others for their decision.

My Dad and Step Mom were both in the other week to see my Son. They are both very aware of all the risks of Covid but they CHOSE to come up here, see him and spend their time with him. It's not for me to tell them how to live their life.

A funeral. A funeral of someone who died from covid. That they stupidly had in a church, with no masks or precautions.

Now they had an outbreak from it and one of my family members went to a dinner with the family, then showed symptoms a day later and ended up burying her two brothers this week from it.

So yeah, there’s a difference in taking a risk that could effect you and a risk that can have that large of an effect.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

A funeral. A funeral of someone who died from covid. That they stupidly had in a church, with no masks or precautions.

Now they had an outbreak from it and one of my family members went to a dinner with the family, then showed symptoms a day later and ended up burying her two brothers this week from it.

So yeah, there’s a difference in taking a risk that could effect you and a risk that can have that large of an effect.

Dude I really don't want to get into this but you act like people were told they couldn't wear a mask and they had to attend. I had this discussion with all of my Parents and guess what, I don't get to dictate what they do. I am no trying to be insensitive to your losses, I know it is tough but people are going to do what they want to do.

I don't disagree with your take on the risks but people know those risks. I don't know how to say it without sounding like a dick so I will just say it, people make their own choices and they are free to do so.

I am free to not go to a funeral because it's indoors and I think people won't be wearing masks, etc. or I am free to go knowing the risks. I have been to a funeral recently and in the very situation you describe. I know of people who did not show because of Covid and I know that those who did accepted the risk they took for going.

As I tried to say the other day it sucks when it impacts you personally and I get that. I do.

[O.city]

Honestly, I’m m gonna vacate the thread for a while. It’s not a good time for me to be in here.

Carry on

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Who is pro sports wears masks besides the coaches and non-players?

Everyone does during the week in meetings and they get tested daily. Watch Hard Knocks or any of the Chiefs videos. Coach Reid wears his face shield when he is around the team.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

A funeral. A funeral of someone who died from covid. That they stupidly had in a church, with no masks or precautions.

Now they had an outbreak from it and one of my family members went to a dinner with the family, then showed symptoms a day later and ended up burying her two brothers this week from it.

So yeah, there’s a difference in taking a risk that could effect you and a risk that can have that large of an effect.

I am sorry. This reminds me of that Maine wedding that infected around 200 people and killed a few that didn't even attend.

As you said it is one thing to take the risks for yourself but with an infectious virus you are not only taking the risk you are affecting everyone you come in contact with.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Everyone does during the week in meetings and they get tested daily. Watch Hard Knocks or any of the Chiefs videos. Coach Reid wears his face shield when he is around the team.

I guess Rona doesn't spread during game time then? JFC

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am sorry. This reminds me of that Maine wedding that infected around 200 people and killed a few that didn't even attend.

As you said it is one thing to take the risks for yourself but with an infectious virus you are not only taking the risk you are affecting everyone you come in contact with.

Then lock yourself away and stay away from everyone. Quit acting like everyone should live their life around you.

I know that sounds harsh but that's the reality.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Honestly, I’m m gonna vacate the thread for a while. It’s not a good time for me to be in here.

Carry on

Just ignore Pete - he's either incapable of learning or deliberately trolling. Maybe both.

Whatever his motivations - the end result is you chasing your tail and ending in exasperation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Just ignore Pete - he's either incapable of learning or deliberately trolling. Maybe both.

Whatever his motivations - the end result is you chasing your tail and ending in exasperation.

Coming from the guy that writes off kids committing suicide. Don't take out the fact you suck at life on me.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I guess Rona doesn't spread during game time then? JFC

You realize they take daily testing and on game day they take a test pre and post game? They also have their own little bubble and the results speak for themselves with only 1 case in 3 weeks. The NBA hasn't had a positive test and MLB seems to have gotten their act together.

They have set the model for everyone else.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You realize they take daily testing and on game day they take a test pre and post game? They also have their own little bubble and the results speak for themselves with only 1 case in 3 weeks. The NBA hasn't had a positive test and MLB seems to have gotten their act together.

They have set the model for everyone else.

You realize that 99.9% of the rest of the world can't be treated like professional athletes, right?

[petegz28]

Gee, if only I could get paid millions of $'s to play a game instead of actually having to work for a living to support my family then maybe I could live in a "bubble" and have someone else to pay to have me tested for Covid 24 times a day!!!