Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[staylor26]

Anthony Lynn elaborating on why Tyrod Taylor is still his starter: "There's a lot we didn't get done with Justin on the field yesterday. He's a backup for a reason." #Chargers

— Daniel Popper (@danielrpopper) September 21, 2020

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

While I thought (and still think) Herbert will be a bust, I still thought he was clearly better than Taylor after our game.

Now, not so much.

I really needed a re-watch to realize how firmly mediocre he was in the Chiefs game.

It was all training wheels, all the time (and justifiably so) - and the dude STILL made 2 massive mistakes that cost them the game.

I'm not on the Hebert's a Bust train or anything - but man I think he's gonna be up and down. He wasn't a top 10 caliber prospect, IMO - there's just too much variance there. At the same time, you can't win in this league without a top 10 QB and he DOES occasionally demonstrate that kind of talent.

So taking him where they did is defensible given how critical the position is.

I do recognize that he has a strong arm and plus athleticism - but he's an erratic decisionmaker with accuracy that comes and goes. That may change in a year or two but it damn sure hasn't changed in 9 months. He's still that same guy.

Chargers fans (and the national media) trying to convince themselves otherwise are doing him a disservice. They're setting the bar too high for him and he WILL fail.

Ultimately Taylor's probably gonna miss 3-4 more games and if so, Herbert's just gonna keep the job by default. Either he'll win a few games and Lynn 'rides the hot hand' or they lose a few more and ultimately it's a lost season. The decision was largely made for him.

But ultimately Herbert ain't ready for this gig.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

A rookie qb made a few mistakes. Who cares. This isn't a Nathan Peterman moment. This isn't a Tebow guy who looks like a mechanical mess out there. This guy is learning from his mistakes. And man you're digging really deep if you think 1 INT vs the #1 team in NFL is some validation that he shouldn't have started.

You know what else I saw? I saw Josh Allen look pretty impressive out there yesterday. You know, the guy who pushed tyrod out of his job. Josh allen took a playoff team to 5-6 his rookie year and had some rough patches. You know what no Bills fan said? I sure wish we started tyrod instead after losing maybe the worst played playoff game in history (10-3 loss to the jags).

Coaches should have the stones to play young QBs. I get why Reid didn't. Tyrod is not Alex Smith. Herbert doesn't need the time mahomes did.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A rookie qb made a few mistakes. Who cares. This isn't a Nathan Peterman moment. This isn't a Tebow guy who looks like a mechanical mess out there. This guy is learning from his mistakes. And man you're digging really deep if you think 1 INT vs the #1 team in NFL is some validation that he shouldn't have started.

You know what else I saw? I saw Josh Allen look pretty impressive out there yesterday. You know, the guy who pushed tyrod out of his job. Josh allen took a playoff team to 5-6 his rookie year and had some rough patches. You know what no Bills fan said? I sure wish we started tyrod instead after losing maybe the worst played playoff game in history (10-3 loss to the jags).

Coaches should have the stones to play young QBs. I get why Reid didn't. Tyrod is not Alex Smith. Herbert doesn't need the time mahomes did.

Umm it was Baker who pushed Tyrod out of his job...

[chiefzilla1501]

The only reason to not start Herbert is because you think he'll be ruined for taking early reps before he's ready or because tyrod gives them an actual shot at a super bowl.

Today, more than ever young QBs have been fine starting right away. And Tyrod isn't going to take you anywhere. Lynn is lucky his dumb trainer made this decision easy.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm it was Baker who pushed Tyrod out of his job...

The bills drafted Josh allen after a tyrod taylor playoff season so they could ditch tyrod. The next year baker took tyrods job in Cleveland.

[PurpleRiders51]

Was it really necessary to basically say "the rookie cost us the game." I don't believe Taylor takes the Chargers to OT against the Chiefs, and if it wasn't for a moronic coaching decision to punt on 4th & 1 in said OT, they maybe even could've won. Can't put that loss on the rook. Their GM needs to fire this coach asap, if for nothing else taking a completely unwarranted shot at your future franchise rookie QB. I thought Herbert played a good game.

[PurpleRiders51]

Herbert comes in on short notice in the second week of his rookie season and takes it to the defending champions forcing OT. And what does his coach say about his performance? "We lost the game didn't we?" (paraphrasing) & "He's a backup for a reason." This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard a NFL coach say. Way to wreck the rookie's confidence/ego after what the rest of the world saw as a good game. LAC would do well to get rid of this guy asap.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51

Was it really necessary to basically say "the rookie cost us the game." I don't believe Taylor takes the Chargers to OT against the Chiefs, and if it wasn't for a moronic coaching decision to punt on 4th & 1 in said OT, they maybe even could've won. Can't put that loss on the rook. Their GM needs to fire this coach asap, if for nothing else taking a completely unwarranted shot at your future franchise rookie QB. I thought Herbert played a good game.

He punted on 4th & 1 because of said rookie QB. Going for it wasn't a gimme. In fact it was slightly more risky than punting according to the numbers.

No, he didn't need to say it but they absolutely lost that game because of Herbert. Week 3 bore that out. Herbert isn't ready.

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Wanted to like Anthony Lynn after Hard Knocks. Can’t take him seriously after this. He’s way to close to Tyrod. https://t.co/NFZ2gHxdQ9

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) September 22, 2020

It would be really nice if reporters etc could understand the proper usage of "to" and "too".

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Screw the "numbers" when Mahomes is on the other side.

[PurpleRiders51]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He punted on 4th & 1 because of said rookie QB. Going for it wasn't a gimme. In fact it was slightly more risky than punting according to the numbers.

No, he didn't need to say it but they absolutely lost that game because of Herbert. Week 3 bore that out. Herbert isn't ready.

He played a pretty good game with good numbers against Carolina, but lost. That's what the Chargers do though.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51

He played a pretty good game with good numbers against Carolina, but lost. That's what the Chargers do though.

Herbert wasn't good against Carolina. He looked like a rookie most of the time.

Having a live arm and good velocity aren't the only things that make a good QB.

They're limiting his reads and he's still making bad decisions plus his ball placement is erratic.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Taylor spent four seasons in Baltimore. In four seasons he appeared in 14 games and threw 2 picks.

Then he had three really good seasons in Buffalo. Played in 44 out of 48 games, threw 51 touchdowns to only 16 picks, had QB ratings of 99, 89, and 89.

Then one year in Cleveland. 4 games, 2 TDs, 2 picks.

One year with the Chargers. 8 games. 1 TD.

This year. One game.

So was his great production in Buffalo him, or the team around him? Who knows. Maybe he's good. Maybe he's not. The three years with amazing stats in Buffalo, the team was still literally average (8-8, 7-9, 9-7). So clearly despite the numbers he's not a real difference-maker.

Is Herbert? Again, too soon to tell. Yes, he looked like a rookie. But facts are facts. He went 22/33 for 311 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick, and a 94 rating against the defending champs. Is DeShaun Watson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 253 yards, 1/1, and an 84 rating. Is Lamar Jackson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 267 yards and a 70 rating.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert wasn't good against Carolina. He looked like a rookie most of the time.

Did you watch the game? I completely disagree yet again.

The Chargers charger'd the shit out of that game and Keenan Allen dropped some key passes that kept them from winning, or at the very least putting it into O/T.

The Chargers asked their rookie QB to drop back 49 times and he still completed 71% of his passes for 330 yards.

Again, what constitutes "Good"?

If Keenan Allen catches a simple screen pass for an easy 2pt conversion that game likely goes to OT at the very least.

Herbert had a boneheaded INT and a fumble where his tackle got ran by, outside of that, again he looked pretty good.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They're limiting his reads and he's still making bad decisions plus his ball placement is erratic.

We're not watching the same game, man.

71% completion % on 49 attempts is not "erratic".

You're not judging a rookie Qb fairly. Nope.

Right now that kid is the only offense they have. They have no decent running game and their Oline is still shit.