It’s official: Pats were always Tom Brady. Not Bill Belichick.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Nah. Bill>Brady.

All you have to do is imagine Brady going to the Jets/Browns/Bucs or whoever when he was drafted and you have your answer. Bill created the culture and the lockerroom in NE, brought in a 7th round gangly game-manager QB and forged him into a good QB. Hell, he did the same thing with Bledsoe before Brady.

That culture only works with a HOF QB. That's one of the reasons every assistant that leaves NE fails trying to implement the "Patriot Way".

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

That culture only works with a HOF QB. That's one of the reasons every assistant that leaves NE fails trying to implement the "Patriot Way".

Bill still won nearly twice as many games as he lost when he had to start someone else besides Brady.

Brady would've been a "one-and-done" QB if he'd gone to a bottom tier organization.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Bill still won nearly twice as many games as he lost when he had to start someone else besides Brady.

Brady would've been a "one-and-done" QB if he'd gone to a bottom tier organization.

It'll need to play itself out. Who can win without the other. As HC Bill has time on his side once Bradys days are over.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Bill still won nearly twice as many games as he lost when he had to start someone else besides Brady.

Brady would've been a "one-and-done" QB if he'd gone to a bottom tier organization.

Sorry meant to upvote this!

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Bill still won nearly twice as many games as he lost when he had to start someone else besides Brady.

Brady would've been a "one-and-done" QB if he'd gone to a bottom tier organization.

You mean the Cassel year? That team went 16-0 the year prior. That team wasn't a bunch of scrubs.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

You mean the Cassel year? That team went 16-0 the year prior. That team wasn't a bunch of scrubs.

Cassel. Who was actually a better athlete than Brady.

Jimmy G. started two games as a Pat and won both.

Think there was at least one more guy that started a game or two and had an even record or a winning one.

Look, I'm not saying that Belichick would've led the Pats to all those conference championships or SB titles, but there's really no denying that they have had a pretty good system over there and you could insert almost any decent QB in there and win some games.

Yeah, they've almost always had a good to great defense, and a set of decent weapons' but every team would need some combination of the above to win. Football is the ultimate team sport, so that makes sense.

Brady is a product of the system he was in. He didn't create it. He didn't coach those defenses to be what they were. Heck, for the first couple years of his career as a Pat he was basically only a game-manager. He certainly wasn't anything special. Brady grew into becoming a great QB.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by tredadda

You mean the Cassel year? That team went 16-0 the year prior. That team wasn't a bunch of scrubs.

Yeah, that hardly proves anything. Haley won 10 games with Cassel. That NE team was just loaded.