***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

How Ticketmaster Plans to Check Your Vaccine Status for Concerts: Exclusive




Here's how it would work, if approved: After purchasing a ticket for a concert, fans would need to verify that they have already been vaccinated (which would provide approximately one year of COVID-19 protection) or test negative for coronavirus approximately 24 to 72 hours prior to the concert. The length of coverage a test would provide would be governed by regional health authorities -- if attendees of a Friday night concert had to be tested 48 hours in advance, most could start the testing process the day before the event. If it was a 24-hour window, most people would likely be tested the same day of the event at a lab or a health clinic.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...-concerts-plan

[DaFace]

Wouldn't surprise me if a wide range of events start requiring proof of either antibodies or vaccine. At least until things start to be a bit more controlled.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

How Ticketmaster Plans to Check Your Vaccine Status for Concerts: Exclusive

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If an adult doesn't want to get a vaccine why should they be required to, since they are only risking themselves and others that chose not to be vaccinated?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by sedated

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If an adult doesn't want to get a vaccine why should they be required to, since they are only risking themselves and others that chose not to be vaccinated?

Because **** you, that's why.

[O.city]

It’s been a long while since any class I was in about it but if I remember correctly it would have to do with whether the vaccine stops transmission or just stops symptoms

[O.city]

Deaths on the Midwest are the highest they’ve ever been

[loochy]

Originally Posted by sedated

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If an adult doesn't want to get a vaccine why should they be required to, since they are only risking themselves and others that chose not to be vaccinated?

They aren't required to. They aren't going to jail. They aren't being banned from a publicly funded event.

There's a tradeoff...if you want to partake in certain activities that are held by private companies, then you must fulfill the prerequisites.


Do I think it's shitty? Yeah, mostly by the folks that are giving out the vaccine status.

[petegz28]

I am really starting to question the mask thing. The CDC came out today and said that now masks protect the wearer where as before it was to protect others from the wearer as it were.

More people are wearing masks now than ever yet cases are going through the roof. Something just isn't adding up. We keep hearing "wear your masks". I can't go anywhere save very few places where everyone doesn't have a mask on yet cases are going up.

I am not saying masks don't have a place but is it possible that they just aren't working very well?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am really starting to question the mask thing. The CDC came out today and said that now masks protect the wearer where as before it was to protect others from the wearer as it were.

That's because nobody knows what the F is going on. It's kind of a "learn as you go" kind of thing.

Originally Posted by petegz28

is it possible that they just aren't working very well?

Yeah. I mean, come on...they're porous pieces of cloth. They're probably better than nothing though.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

That's because nobody knows what the F is going on. It's kind of a "learn as you go" kind of thing.




Yeah. THey're probably better than nothing though.

Not saying they aren't better than nothing but the rate at which cases are going up you have to wonder just how much better?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not saying they aren't better than nothing but the rate at which cases are going up you have to wonder just how much better?

4.6265234% better

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

4.6265234% better

That's pretty specific....I would have settled for 4.6%. True story!

[O.city]

It’s masks plus hand washing plus distancing plus whatever

There isn’t a silver bullet

Yet

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

It’s masks plus hand washing plus distancing plus whatever

There isn’t a silver bullet

Yet

Yeah. A mask can generally reduce droplet spray, but if you are in a tight space with someone exhaling covid everywhere, it's going to go right around the edges of that mask (unless it's a properly fitted N95).

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

It’s masks plus hand washing plus distancing plus whatever

There isn’t a silver bullet

Yet

I know and that's why "wear your mask" is something many medical professionals have said provides a very false sense of security.