***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

A Danish study on NSAID use in COVID-positive patients did not show an increased risk in mortality. Some of the subgroup analyses showed an increased risk of hospitalization for female patients, but as the sample sizes was underpowered, you shouldn't take that as definitive proof of increased risk.

[dirk digler]

There are now six key forms of #SARSCoV2 viruses in the world. This study sorts them out, and looks for evidence of biological differences in terms of virulence, contagiousness, and other factors.https://t.co/Xbl8eYf19F

— Laurie Garrett (@Laurie_Garrett) November 12, 2020

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

There are now six key forms of #SARSCoV2 viruses in the world. This study sorts them out, and looks for evidence of biological differences in terms of virulence, contagiousness, and other factors.https://t.co/Xbl8eYf19F

— Laurie Garrett (@Laurie_Garrett) November 12, 2020

From a quick glance (and admitting that is not my field of expertise) there is nothing particularly concerning in that article as it may relate to effective therapy or vaccination.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

From a quick glance (and admitting that is not my field of expertise) there is nothing particularly concerning in that article as it may relate to effective therapy or vaccination.

Thanks. I tried reading it but my eyes glossed over but I do find it cool that they were able to id the 6 key strains.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Agreed. Still, with a chunk of the population who is wary of it, telling them that they might end up having to take a day or two off of work to recover isn't going to help things. It's worth making sure people are aware of the (expected) side effects so we don't end up with a wave of "OMG the vaccine gave me COVID!!!" reactions.

It may also depend on how effective and how long the effectiveness lasts. If its for 6 months, I assume a lot of people would skip it.

[Hoover]

Study of Marine recruits finds CoV2 spread occurs despite strict quarantine & enforcement of pub health measures. This has major implications. If transmission occurs in this controlled environment, NPIs imposed upon the public would be even less effective.https://t.co/PlT83qFuGQ

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) November 12, 2020

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717

[Otter]

I lol'd...

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

In regards to these mRNA vaccines storage. Here is a good article about how rural and low income areas won't be able to provide these because the costs of the very low temp fridge units are expensive and currently the government isn't going to help.

Also the CDC is telling cities not to buy these because other vaccines won't require them.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/11/...vid19-vaccine/

Plus there is a shortage of dry ice, so distribution will be difficult at best.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

Damn..

Looks like the rest of the USA.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

Plus there is a shortage of dry ice, so distribution will be difficult at best.

Definitely going to be challenging.

I had a meeting today and our company will be distributing the vaccines in Missouri. We just bought 50 fridges that can handle the Moderna vaccine but can't handle the Pfizer one. We serve alot of rural areas so this will help get it out to our clients and staff.

[O.city]

So, what changed to cause that massive spike?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Chicago issues a stay home order

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-ha...ving-lightfoot

The stay-home advisory takes effect at 6 a.m. Monday and lasts 30 days. Chicagoans are urged to leave home only for work, school, medical appointments, groceries, take-out food and pharmaceuticals.

The 10-person limit on meetings and social events also takes effect at 6 a.m. on Monday.

From the article

The stay-home portion of the mayor’s game plan is only an advisory. The 10-person limit is mandatory.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

So, what changed to cause that massive spike?

My theory

1. More testing
2. More people congregating indoors due to colder weather
3. Less people caring about masks and social distancing

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

Plus there is a shortage of dry ice, so distribution will be difficult at best.

If the government or private businesses were in charge of distribution, I'd agree. But, they are not, the military is in charge.

I've seen with my own eyes while in the height of the Iraq and Afghan wars, at the same time, the military sorted out the logistics and supply that had to go overseas while fighting those wars.

If they can figure out that, they can figure out how to handle distribution of the vacaccine and the supplies within the homeland.

[O.city]

Shit like distribution shouldn't be difficult. Or atleast not impossible. I don't care if it's difficult, figure it out. Get it done.