***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

So I’m having blood drawn tosay for a serology panel.

A few weeks ago, our one year old had a slight fever runny nose and a cough for a day or two, 5 year old had sore throat and fever and tested positive for strep, wife myself and 7 year old had two days of stomach issue and slight headache. Didn’t think anything about it until I talked to pediatrician and she said a lot of the kids who have it end up having strep too.
Then 4/5 days after my brother in law and gf stayed with us she came up with it.

So now I’m thinking we had it and gave it to her?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I've looked all over and found nothing that says anything about this.

Originally Posted by petegz28

I've heard you have to get two does of the vaccine and I think they are about 3 months apart so maybe that's what he is referring too???

It’s like 2 weeks apart between

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

So I’m having blood drawn tosay for a serology panel.

A few weeks ago, our one year old had a slight fever runny nose and a cough for a day or two, 5 year old had sore throat and fever and tested positive for strep, wife myself and 7 year old had two days of stomach issue and slight headache. Didn’t think anything about it until I talked to pediatrician and she said a lot of the kids who have it end up having strep too.
Then 4/5 days after my brother in law and gf stayed with us she came up with it.

So now I’m thinking we had it and gave it to her?

Interesting as my Son had strep twice late last year and early this year.

[bigdaddychieffan]

Our dr said that right now preliminarily that you get 3 months of immunity from having had the virus. My family of 5 all tested positive a couple weeks ago. There is so much unknown right now that nothing is for sure anyway. Excited that a vaccine may be available soon.

[DaFace]

This thread is a fascinating study in how misinformation spreads and is so hard to combat sometimes. A few posts from the past few days:

Well-documented source:

Originally Posted by O.city

THE GOOD NEWS: Immunity to the coronavirus might last years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful look yet at this issue. 1/xhttps://t.co/ntTmKxKjbm

— Apoorva Mandavilli (@apoorva_nyc) November 17, 2020

You mean it's like every other virus we know about? I'm shocked.

(One reply. Most ignore it.)

Same story from a different source:

Originally Posted by DaFace

More good news for the hope that vaccines will be a near-total way out of this. I really feel like things will be almost completely normal by next fall and hopefully near normal much sooner than that.

People who have recovered from the coronavirus may have immunity that lasts years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful answer yet to a question that has shadowed plans for widespread vaccination. https://t.co/9k6uPS3vfo

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 17, 2020

(Two replies. Most ignore it.)

Same story from yet another source:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Apoorva Mandavilli
@apoorva_nyc
THE GOOD NEWS: Immunity to the coronavirus might last years, maybe even decades, according to a new study — the most hopeful look yet at this
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/h....co/ntTmKxKjbm

(No replies.)

Completely unsourced opinion about what someone "heard":

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Heard the vaccine is only going to be effective for a short window (3 months) so welcome to quarterly Rona shots

(Immediately spawns a multitude of replies.)

Originally Posted by R Clark

So where did you hear this?

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

Where are you getting this?

Originally Posted by loochy

the internet

Originally Posted by loochy

websites

Originally Posted by R Clark

Oh yeah those websites

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Havent we had posters on this site get it twice?

Originally Posted by TLO

What?

Originally Posted by ChiefsHawk

Sorry but false

Originally Posted by TLO

I've looked all over and found nothing that says anything about this.

It's damn near impossible for accurate information to cut through the noise of people talking about information they "hear." It's depressing.

[Strongside]

Our daycare's new policy is a little wild to me.

If a child has a "primary symptom" of COVID, they are presumed positive and must stay home for at least 10 days or until symptoms cease. This means fever (which is a given and already kept kids home) or cough.

I'm sorry, but my kid spends the entire winter with a cough. Daycare is a petri dish. He genuinely coughed (with a few breaks in between colds) from October - February last year.

I'm all for taking him to get tested if he's running a fever, but the cough thing threw me a bit. He's already had 2 this year with no fever or other symptoms.

Am I tripping?

No clue how we'll handle work + looking after him should he have to stay home for a large portion of the winter if he comes down with a cold.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This thread is a fascinating study in how misinformation spreads and is so hard to combat sometimes. A few posts from the past few days:

Well-documented source:



(One reply. Most ignore it.)

Same story from a different source:



(Two replies. Most ignore it.)

Same story from yet another source:



(No replies.)

Completely unsourced opinion about what someone "heard":



(Immediately spawns a multitude of replies.)



















It's damn near impossible for accurate information to cut through the noise of people talking about information they "hear." It's depressing.

Ya, but did you hear about the microchips?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Our daycare's new policy is a little wild to me.

If a child has a "primary symptom" of COVID, they are presumed positive and must stay home for at least 10 days or until symptoms cease. This means fever (which is a given and already kept kids home) or cough.

I'm sorry, but my kid spends the entire winter with a cough. Daycare is a petri dish. He genuinely coughed (with a few breaks in between colds) from October - February last year.

I'm all for taking him to get tested if he's running a fever, but the cough thing threw me a bit. He's already had 2 this year with no fever or other symptoms.

Am I tripping?

No clue how we'll handle work + looking after him should he have to stay home for a large portion of the winter if he comes down with a cold.

Isn't that the point? Daycares are really only being allowed to stay open because closing them would make it so that many parents couldn't work. It's not a surprise to me that they're being very conservative about trying to keep kids there healthy.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Isn't that the point? Daycares are really only being allowed to stay open because closing them would make it so that many parents couldn't work. It's not a surprise to me that they're being very conservative about trying to keep kids there healthy.

Yeah, it is. It's just frustrating as a parent to have to get this little dude tested every time his nose runs or he develops a cough. Testing for COVID as an adult is uncomfortable and inconvenient.

Having your parents hold your arms down while a strange woman grabs you by the head and shoves a swab into your brain as a toddler is a whole other ****ing deal.

Look, I get it, it just sucks.

I just don't want this to get to a point where a kid coughs because his throat is dry and then all of a sudden a parent has to figure out how to pay the bills because they're out of work for 10 days, even though there is no COVID.

[dirk digler]

When it comes to immunity and how long it is all just a guess at this point. Yes that study and others have hypothesized immunity will last a long time like SARS1 but they don't know because we are only 11 months into this pandemic.

We have also seen more and more confirmed reinfection cases across the world.

Covid attacks the body in ways scientists\doctors haven't ever seen before and they still don't have a firm grasp on it. Everyone certainly hopes we have long lasting immunity but if this virus behaved like SARS1 it would have died out months ago.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

When it comes to immunity and how long it is all just a guess at this point. Yes that study and others have hypothesized immunity will last a long time like SARS1 but they don't know because we are only 11 months into this pandemic.

We have also seen more and more confirmed reinfection cases across the world.

Covid attacks the body in ways scientists\doctors haven't ever seen before and they still don't have a firm grasp on it. Everyone certainly hopes we have long lasting immunity but if this virus behaved like SARS1 it would have died out months ago.

It’s more infectious

It behaves very similar

It’s not a scary space virus. It acts the same as most other viral infections.

We need to quit with these wild claims that are outside of what we expect to happen until they are proven the norm.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

When it comes to immunity and how long it is all just a guess at this point. Yes that study and others have hypothesized immunity will last a long time like SARS1 but they don't know because we are only 11 months into this pandemic.

We have also seen more and more confirmed reinfection cases across the world.

Covid attacks the body in ways scientists\doctors haven't ever seen before and they still don't have a firm grasp on it. Everyone certainly hopes we have long lasting immunity but if this virus behaved like SARS1 it would have died out months ago.

It's still a virus and our immune system reacts to it like one.

At this point, I'm very confident that the vast, overwhelming majority of folks who have gotten it are safe form reinfection for a good amount of time.

The difference between SARS1 and SARS2 is that SARS1 had a quicker onset of symptoms and didn't have pre-and-asymptomatic people walking around infecting others around them. It was much easier to contain as a result. As far as I know, it wasn't due to the immune system response.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

It’s more infectious

It behaves very similar

It’s not a scary space virus. It acts the same as most other viral infections.

We need to quit with these wild claims that are outside of what we expect to happen until they are proven the norm.

No it doesn't act the same otherwise they would know how to treat it but they really don't. My daughter deals with it every day and she tells me the doctor's\nurses are throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

No it doesn't act the same otherwise they would know how to treat it but they really don't. My daughter deals with it every day and she tells me the doctor's\nurses are throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks.

Well, since your daughter says it, that settles it.

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