***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If its at a 95% effective rate like the others and there is a choice, why would anyone in Britain or America chose a vaccine that takes two shots over the one and done vaccine?

All 3 vaccines with early phase 3 results require 2 shots as does this Oxford vaccine. J&J was the early one shot hope as I believe their initial Phase 3 was 1 dose. They started a two dose trial last week though.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It does vary, and by quite a lot, but I seriously doubt any public school teacher makes anywhere near that in the U.S.

My wife has her Masters in education. One year she calculated her time in school, at night and weekends. She made less than minimum wage.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

I just did a quick Google search and pulled this off indeed for Missouri.

How much does a Teacher make in Missouri?

Per hour
Average base salary
332 salaries reported, updated at Nov 14, 2020
$12.39
per hour
The average salary for a teacher is $12.39 per hour in Missouri.
16% lower than national average

No idea of what the accuracy for this is.

Teachers are salary. I imagine the avg first year teacher in MO makes 35-40 a year. SJ is 36K. Rural make less and places in NKC will pay better.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

I just did a quick Google search and pulled this off indeed for Missouri.

How much does a Teacher make in Missouri?

Per hour
Average base salary
332 salaries reported, updated at Nov 14, 2020
$12.39
per hour
The average salary for a teacher is $12.39 per hour in Missouri.
16% lower than national average

No idea of what the accuracy for this is.

Originally Posted by Monticore

jesus Christ , mcdonalds workers make 15$ an hour here.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My wife has her Masters in education. One year she calculated her time in school, at night and weekends. She made less than minimum wage.

Yep, school districts and the public have been taking advantage of teachers forever. Its not going to change until there is a shortage of teachers or the public rebels against having inferior quality teachers teaching their kids.

Just last night, I spent an hour helping her put packages together to give to the kids.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Teachers are salary. I imagine the avg first year teacher in MO makes 35-40 a year. SJ is 36K. Rural make less and places in NKC will pay better.

After taxes the take home might be pretty close I assume we pay a bit more .

[Pants]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Teachers are salary. I imagine the avg first year teacher in MO makes 35-40 a year. SJ is 36K. Rural make less and places in NKC will pay better.

Goodness. That is just brutal. $36K didn't even make sense in 2001.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

After taxes the take home might be pretty close I assume we pay a bit more .

Possibly. The big benefit to being a teacher is the retirement Basically at 80 years (age + years worked) you can retire and get about 90% of your top 3 years average. I just spoke with lady who taught locally in NW MO. She retired at 53 and makes $3500 a month in retirement.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yep, school districts and the public have been taking advantage of teachers forever. Its not going to change until there is a shortage of teachers or the public rebels against having inferior quality teachers teaching their kids.

Just last night, I spent an hour helping her put packages together to give to the kids.

Pretty hard to find a full time teachers job up here lots of competition, I don’t find it always attracts better teachers though , it is often a plan b for people who wanted to get into something else. Kids are a pain in the ass these days and teachers can’t do much about it , can’t fail kids etc. But for the people that love it and want to do it at least they can live off of the salary .

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

It’s a staffing problem in my school district. There having immense trouble finding enough people to cover the classrooms. They have yard signs out for subs.

Yep. My wife's preschool program can barely keep their centers open. It's the equivalent of the Chiefs trying to keep all of their players in the facility but without the ability to keep masks on, hands washed, or any sort of social distancing. Every day they have a couple dozen new cases (out of 5 centers).

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Possibly. The big benefit to being a teacher is the retirement Basically at 80 years (age + years worked) you can retire and get about 90% of your top 3 years average. I just spoke with lady who taught locally in NW MO. She retired at 53 and makes $3500 a month in retirement.

They have the80 factor as well up here and a good pension as well. I get jealous when all my friends 80% are teacher are planning bbq during the day in the summer while I have to work , but during the school year I don’t get too jealous .

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

$95,000 for a public school teacher???

That's Canadian dollars you ding dongs.

That's about 70k usd

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Pants

Goodness. That is just brutal. $36K didn't even make sense in 2001.

My wife is a director of a 5-school preschool program. She has 15 years of experience and a master's degree. She's under $50k. Their teachers start at like $30k. And this is in Denver, where the cost of living is stupid.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My wife is a director of a 5-school preschool program. She has 15 years of experience and a master's degree. She's under $50k. Their teachers start at like $30k. And this is in Denver, where the cost of living is stupid.

$30K. Wow. Just wow. That is brutal even if you get the summer off and can supplement with a temporary job.

As a director, does your wife even get any of the summer off like a regular teacher?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Pants

$30K. Wow. Just wow. That is brutal even if you get the summer off and can supplement with a temporary job.

As a director, does your wife even get any of the summer off like a regular teacher?

Nope. They're a year-round program, so their teachers don't get summers off either. They're closed for two weeks for Christmas, one week for spring break, and one week in the summer.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Possibly. The big benefit to being a teacher is the retirement Basically at 80 years (age + years worked) you can retire and get about 90% of your top 3 years average. I just spoke with lady who taught locally in NW MO. She retired at 53 and makes $3500 a month in retirement.

My mother is a retired New York state teacher and receives 5K monthly pension.