***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

I wear one all the time, but yeah wouldn't be surprising if tha piece of shit is not preventing much of anything

I just wish we weren't having the same ****ing conversation we were 8 months ago. It's really getting old. If people want to wear a mask, great! If they don't, great! Just shut the **** up about it already.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think the politicians needed something to keep everyone busy. Instead of focusing on protecting the weak and frail, or making sure the sick stay home (that would cost $$$) they came up with put a piece of cloth on your face.

I’ve yet to hear how we’re supposed to protect the weak and frail when there is this much spread and infection

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why are we as a nation so obsessed with masks?

Some of us are enamored with the ideal that there are simple solutions to every problem, no matter how complicated or enormous, if only we worked together.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve yet to hear how we’re supposed to protect the weak and frail when there is this much spread and infection

I am sure there is much more..

By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve yet to hear how we’re supposed to protect the weak and frail when there is this much spread and infection

It seems like we are dancing around that and doing everything but, right?

The standard answer(s) to everything is wear masks and close bars\restaurants.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Some of us are enamored with the ideal that there are simple solutions to every problem, no matter how complicated or enormous, if only we worked together.

If you close the restaurants and bars then older people will live.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Some of us are enamored with the ideal that there are simple solutions to every problem, no matter how complicated or enormous, if only we worked together.

Hey, I know!!! Instead of bars closing at midnight, what if we have them close at 10pm? That'll DEFINITELY make a difference.

Look at us! We're doing something!!

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you close the restaurants and bars then older people will live.

Right, I don't see how people think we are actually focusing on protecting the at risk right now.

Closing schools looks like a dead end. Can't remember how many elderly I last saw at the bar.

We have limited resources. If we use those on the people who need it I expect we can actually make a difference and save more lives.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Hey, I know!!! Instead of bars closing at midnight, what if we have them close at 10pm? That'll DEFINITELY make a difference.

Look at us! We're doing something!!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Right, I don't see how people think we are actually focusing on protecting the at risk right now.

Closing schools looks like a dead end. Can't remember how many elderly I last saw at the bar.

We have limited resources. If we use those on the people who need it I expect we can actually make a difference and save more lives.

The problem with schools now is you are quarantining so many people including Teachers because they might have been exposed to something they might get that might make them sick so we need them to hide for 14 days. And the data clearly shows they will most likely get it from somewhere other than school.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Pants

The most perfect example of intellectual dishonestly one will ever see.

When did sharing information that doesn't goose step to what you think become a crime? Isn't collecting all the information we know and making a decision based on what information we gather become a bad thing?

I think that was rude but I suppose being an ass is the flavor of the day.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Pretty hard to find a full time teachers job up here lots of competition, I don’t find it always attracts better teachers though , it is often a plan b for people who wanted to get into something else. Kids are a pain in the ass these days and teachers can’t do much about it , can’t fail kids etc. But for the people that love it and want to do it at least they can live off of the salary .

Easy to find a teachers job down here. When we were in the KC area, it was easy to find too. Lots of demand. Short supply of teachers.

Originally Posted by DaFace

My wife is a director of a 5-school preschool program. She has 15 years of experience and a master's degree. She's under $50k. Their teachers start at like $30k. And this is in Denver, where the cost of living is stupid.

start at $22K here. That ain’t getting you anywhere close to middle class housing down here.

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I don't think it is fair to say school districts. It is the state government and the tax payers. When you start trying to increase peoples taxes, even if it is for teachers salaries it is a hard pass my 80+% of tax payers.

it’s what is valued in society. Teachers just are not valued. The pay says all you need to know on their value. That’s a bigger discussion.

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you close the restaurants and bars then older people will live.

WTF Pete.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Easy to find a teachers job down here. When we were in the KC area, it was easy to find too. Lots of demand. Short supply of teachers.
start at $22K here. That ain’t getting you anywhere close to middle class housing down here.

it’s what is valued in society. Teachers just are not valued. The pay says all you need to know on their value. That’s a bigger discussion.

WTF Pete.

Exactly, WTF?

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why are we as a nation so obsessed with masks?

Time Traveler Arrives From 3000 A.D. And Oh No! He's Still Wearing A Mask! https://t.co/f0RXA0ZTkV

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) November 19, 2020

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by TLO

Why are we as a nation so obsessed with masks?

Because everyone has carefully been programmed. It's social engineering on a continental scale. And the point isn't the viability of the masks themselves, the point is creating another singularly divisive issue. Masks are abortion. Masks are immigration. Masks are welfare and social justice. Anything were sides can be taken.