***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The deniers in here that think its BS that someone thinks its a hoax, need to grow up and quit neg repping and open their eyes. Poster after poster has had a run in with one or knows someone. We are all lying? Redbled lying about his Dad?

There are millions that think its a hoax. And why wouldn't they? The person they trust more than anyone in the world told them its a hoax.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I wonder how many people he has killed each year not wearing a mask and spreading flu.

Preliminary CDC estimates for the 2019-2020 influenza season indicate that, as of April 4, 2020, between 24,000 and 62,000 lost their lives to the flu.

We are at 225K+ dead Americans. And the worse is yet to come. So no, its not the flu.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I wonder how many people he has killed each year not wearing a mask and spreading flu.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Uh, 'scuse me???? Like, those people don't count because reasons. Yeah, as if!

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Preliminary CDC estimates for the 2019-2020 influenza season indicate that, as of April 4, 2020, between 24,000 and 62,000 lost their lives to the flu.

We are at 225K+ dead Americans. And the worse is yet to come. So no, its not the flu.

Told you. Those people don't count.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Well, good news is my dad is doing really well. Was released from quarantine on Thursday afternoon. He's feeling good enough he went to eat with his golfing buddies today for lunch.

Bad news is my 13 daughter just came back positive from another source. She's doing well. Feels ok, up moving around and it looks like a head cold right now.

Glad to hear about your Dad. Hope the daughter just shrugs it off too. Positive thoughts heading your way.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Preliminary CDC estimates for the 2019-2020 influenza season indicate that, as of April 4, 2020, between 24,000 and 62,000 lost their lives to the flu.

We are at 225K+ dead Americans. And the worse is yet to come. So no, its not the flu.

That wasn't my point but since you mentioned 225K died with Covid we don't know how many died from Covid.

Flu deaths are estimates. If we counted everyone that died in the US as a flu death if they tested + on a ramped up PCR test I bet we could double or triple the estimated flu deaths using the same new Covid criteria.

[Donger]

Back to March again... Nice.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That wasn't my point but since you mentioned 225K died with Civil we don't know how many died from Civil.

Flu deaths are estimates. If we counted everyone that died in the US as a flu death if they tested + on a ramped up PCR test I bet we could double or triple the estimated flu deaths using the same new Covid criteria.

You said flu so you had to me comparing Covid to the flu because why else would you mention the flu?

He didn't read a thing you said. He saw "flu" and went on an incoherent tangent that had nothing to do with what you said.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Preliminary CDC estimates for the 2019-2020 influenza season indicate that, as of April 4, 2020, between 24,000 and 62,000 lost their lives to the flu.

We are at 225K+ dead Americans. And the worse is yet to come. So no, its not the flu.

It's way more than that if you do the same reporting criteria. But hey they don't get paid as much as they do for covud deaths. Nothing Shady there!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

It's way more than that if you do the same reporting criteria. But hey they don't get paid as much as they do for covud deaths. Nothing Shady there!

So you think that hospitals and doctors are falsely listing Medicare patients as COVID-19 cases in order to get more money from the government. Is that correct?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

So you think that hospitals and doctors are falsely listing Medicare patients as COVID-19 cases in order to get more money from the government. Is that correct?

I haven't seen one credible allegation of this actually happening. But they still love to throw it around like it's some kind of obvious fact that of course doctors and hospitals are lying and risking serious punishment for fraud - all for that sweet extra few $k per patient.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

It's way more than that if you do the same reporting criteria. But hey they don't get paid as much as they do for covud deaths. Nothing Shady there!

If they want to beat us over the head with 225,000 people died FROM covid they shouldn't be counting people who died in motorcycle accidents or get shot in the head as a Covid death.

We will eventually get a handle on it but I suspect a bunch are people who were dying anyway that got coded incorrectly on the way out.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

If they want to beat us over the head with 225,000 people died FROM covid they shouldn't be counting people who died in motorcycle accidents or get shot in the head as a Covid death.

We will eventually get a handle on it but I suspect a bunch are people who were dying anyway that got coded incorrectly on the way out.

How many of the 250,000 COVID-9 deaths do you think were counted like that?

As to the one incident in Florida which you cite, that death was removed and isn't included in Florida's COVID-19 death figures.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Good to hear about your Dad. Your daughter will be fine. Just keep an eye on her breathing and fever levels.

and monitor oxygen levels.

[RocKhawks]

Not saying its a hoax. But i know many people who had it with little to no symptoms. As a super spreader, the rest of the people's family tested negative. I don't know a single person who has died from it either. Again, not saying it's a hoax, but definitely think its being blown out of proportion. A 95% to 99.7% recovery rate too. I don't mean to offend anyone who knows someone who has passed from this.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

How many of the 250,000 COVID-9 deaths do you think were counted like that?

As to the one incident in Florida which you cite, that death was removed and isn't included in Florida's COVID-19 death figures.

It was removed out of embarrassment. Unfortunately not every death gets featured in the news. NY Times had a 100,000 dead special. They needed someone young and ended up putting a picture of a guy shot in the head as one of the 100,000.