***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't realize I had to verify it. Why don't you show us where the data is wrong?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Which do you think is more likely:

1) The KDHE and CDC ignored the alleged data shown in your article, and falsely claimed that mask wearing increased increased in counties with a mandate.

2) Your source screwed up the data, either intentionally or not.

I'd be happy to. Got a link to the data?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't post misleading info. I am sorry if the numbers are not what you like or whatever. That doesn't mean they are wrong. Just that you don't like them, I guess.

The issue is that harping solely on the negative can have adverse effects on the overall goal, if people keep pointing out over and over that birth control methods don’t always work over time something like that could reduce the trust people have in them creating more unwanted pregnancies over time, so pointing out some facts can be detrimental even if they are facts.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Which do you think is more likely:

1) The KDHE and CDC ignored the alleged data shown in your article, and falsely claimed that mask wearing increased increased in counties with a mandate.

2) Your source screwed up the data, either intentionally or not.

I'd be happy to. Got a link to the data?

If you're so sure they screwed it up you can show us where.

I don't give a **** what you think about which is more likely.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The issue is that harping solely on the negative can have adverse effects on the overall goal, if people keep pointing out over and over that birth control methods don’t always work over time something like that could reduce the trust people have in them creating more unwanted pregnancies over time, so pointing out some facts can be detrimental even if they are facts.

Keep rationalizing it. The bottom line is this is now the 4th time the state of Kansas has manipulated or otherwise presented data in a misleading manner.

I am sorry you seem to embrace dishonesty to achieve your goals. Personally I think the State would be better off not misrepresenting data over and over. It sure in the hell isn't going to go very far to persuade those you are trying to persuade.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you're so sure they screwed it up you can show us where.

I don't give a **** what you think about which is more likely.

I already have presented my argument, pete. It's telling that you won't answer a simple question.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I already have presented my argument, pete. It's telling that you won't answer a simple question.

Yeah, no....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Keep rationalizing it. The bottom line is this is now the 4th time the state of Kansas has manipulated or otherwise presented data in a misleading manner.

I am sorry you seem to embrace dishonesty to achieve your goals. Personally I think the State would be better off not misrepresenting data over and over. It sure in the hell isn't going to go very far to persuade those you are trying to persuade.

Yes me being rational is the problem not to the person going against the grain in trying to fight a pandemic

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Yes me being rational is the problem not to the person going against the grain in trying to fight a pandemic

Being rational is fine. Rationalizing lying to achieve your desired goal, well, not so much.

The problem with you is that if someone doesn't think exactly what you do about the problem your panties get wadded. You're not alone in that crowd by any means. You perceive anything that does not mesh with your personal view as "going against the grain". That's your problem, not mine.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The problem with you is that if someone doesn't think exactly what you do about the problem your panties get wadded. You're not alone in that...

He's definitely not, judging by your post history in this thread.

[BigRedChief]

Residents may leave Florida facilities for Thanksgiving, could bring coronavirus back

Advocates and experts are concerned that nursing homes and assisted-living facilities aren’t required to test residents for the coronavirus when they return after the holidays.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...onavirus-back/


Florida is like the Wild Wild West. Whatever you want to do in the middle of a pandemic, okay by us.

Love,
The govenor

[petegz28]

Here we go again.....And not even a week after they closed the schools and put on all these other restrictions.....

Adherence to COVID regulations was checked at the door at a recent birthday party featuring a number of Brooklyn big shots https://t.co/yvwJKCJyoi

— Shant Shahrigian (@ShantRS) November 19, 2020

[Donger]

This thread is supposed to be non-political.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Donger

This thread is supposed to be non-political.

Sorry but that's funny.

It's Sunday and there's football games on.

There's like 6 people here active in this thread and only this thread.

[Hawker007]

Do people actually believe that counties in KS that have mandated mask wearing has decreased cases by 6% while counties that haven’t mandated masks wearing has increased cases of 200%? People actually believe that?

I can see mask wearing having a better result, like only an increase in cases of 80% compared to 200% or something like that. But I’d be shocked if there is a single county in KS that has a decrease in cases right now over just about any time period you want to use.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Being rational is fine. Rationalizing lying to achieve your desired goal, well, not so much.

The problem with you is that if someone doesn't think exactly what you do about the problem your panties get wadded. You're not alone in that crowd by any means. You perceive anything that does not mesh with your personal view as "going against the grain". That's your problem, not mine.

Do you think what you are doing is helping in reducing infections? As long as cases keep going up mask mandates and lockdowns are going to happen , what you are doing is actually increasing that the things you are fighting against are likelier to happen.

The problem is you think people like me have an agenda when in reality all we want things to get back normal just like you do .