***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honest question:

Why is THIS pain and hardship so much more important for so many people than the daily pain and hardship millions of people in this country feel every day?

It isn’t but doing something for them would need similar sacrifices which most people are unwilling to do.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honest question:

Why is THIS pain and hardship so much more important for so many people than the daily pain and hardship millions of people in this country feel every day?

false choice. You gave money and your time to help the homeless. What’s a matter with you? You don’t care about kids with cancer?

2,403 died in Pearl Harbor:
"A day that will live in infamy."

2,977 died on September 11th:
"Never forget."

2,885 Americans died yesterday from COVID

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honest question:

Why is THIS pain and hardship so much more important for so many people than the daily pain and hardship millions of people in this country feel every day?

Exactly

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

false choice. You gave money and your time to help the homeless. What’s a matter with you? You don’t care about kids with cancer?

2,403 died in Pearl Harbor:
"A day that will live in infamy."

2,977 died on September 11th:
"Never forget."

2,885 Americans died yesterday from COVID

I don't see people here filling up threads with literally 1000's of posts about kids with cancer.

So yeah, it is a false choice.

There are DEFINITELY people here in this thread that care way more about COVID than any other human tragedy, as evidenced by their participation.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see people here filling up threads with literally 1000's of posts about kids with cancer.

So yeah, it is a false choice.

There are DEFINITELY people here in this thread that care way more about COVID than any other human tragedy, as evidenced by their participation.

Well, maybe this is a precedent to start solving problems with the force of our society. When covid is done, we concentrate on cancer, and then after that we concentrate on domestic violence and after that we concentrate on alcoholism. We knock problems off one by one by focusing the force of 300 million people on it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Well, maybe this is a precedent to start solving problems with the force of our society. When covid is done, we concentrate on cancer, and then after that we concentrate on domestic violence and after that we concentrate on alcoholism. We knock problems off one by one by focusing the force of 300 million people on it.

People would actually have to care. You know full well that won't happen. Once a vaccine comes out the the hysteria dies down, people will go back to the way it was before.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Well, maybe this is a precedent to start solving problems with the force of our society. When covid is done, we concentrate on cancer, and then after that we concentrate on domestic violence and after that we concentrate on alcoholism. We knock problems off one by one by focusing the force of 300 million people on it.

And then everyone can have their very own pet unicorn that takes them on a ride over the rainbow!!!!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see people here filling up threads with literally 1000's of posts about kids with cancer.

So yeah, it is a false choice.

There are DEFINITELY people here in this thread that care way more about COVID than any other human tragedy, as evidenced by their participation.

You willing to pay more taxes and completely change the way Americans think about certain types of medical systems to achieve your goal of caring for some of these other non covid issues?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see people here filling up threads with literally 1000's of posts about kids with cancer.

So yeah, it is a false choice.

There are DEFINITELY people here in this thread that care way more about COVID than any other human tragedy, as evidenced by their participation.

It's called virtue signaling. It reminds me of the entire Tyreek Hill ordeal. Lot of people, including a couple of hundred in here thought he should be cut. Sports radio spent like 3 days solid talking about domestic violence and what not.


I think that was the last time they did it and probably the first. The same people who thought he should be cut have been cheering for him ever since. It wouldn't shock me to find out BRC was one of them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You willing to pay more taxes and completely change the way Americans think about certain types of medical systems to achieve your goal of caring for some of these other non covid issues?

How's that cancer cure going in Canada?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

People would actually have to care. You know full well that won't happen. Once a vaccine comes out the the hysteria dies down, people will go back to the way it was before.

This is indeed the barrier. You have to have unity and national will. We did it with WWII, we did it with the moon landing, and we're doing it here other than a few deniers. We just need to develop the team mentality to focus on stuff.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

This is indeed the barrier. You have to have unity and national will. We did it with WWII, we did it with the moon landing, and we're doing it here other than a few deniers. We just need to develop the team mentality to focus on stuff.

Dude are you serious? We just had the Governor of the state that to this day has more Covid deaths than any other state crying because the vaccine was going to come out under this President instead of the next President.

You ain't getting unity with that kind of bullshit.

Never mind the increasing list of elected officials violation or otherwise ignoring their own restrictions and directives.

I literally just watched a few hours ago the head of the Teacher's Union for my Son's school district flat out lie about what the county has said about schools as well as the documented numbers.

You aren't getting unity when that shit happens.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't see people here filling up threads with literally 1000's of posts about kids with cancer.

So yeah, it is a false choice.

There are DEFINITELY people here in this thread that care way more about COVID than any other human tragedy, as evidenced by their participation.

I would say people care or interested in Covid because we are experiencing something that none of us has ever experienced before, kind of like a Chiefs SB win. There isn't a country or person on this planet that isn't affected by Covid one way or another. It has killed million + people in less than a year and will probably end up killing 1/2 million Americans when this is all said and done. We have members in this thread lose multiple family members in a very short period of time.

There is also a sense of helplessness to it because there is really nothing we can do about it. We can't see it to protect ourselves and there is really no proven treatment for it. So for some of us this maybe therapeutic.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I would say people care or interested in Covid because we are experiencing something that none of us has ever experienced before, kind of like a Chiefs SB win. There isn't a country or person on this planet that isn't affected by Covid one way or another. It has killed million + people in less than a year and will probably end up killing 1/2 million Americans when this is all said and done. We have members in this thread lose multiple family members in a very short period of time.

There is also a sense of helplessness to it because there is really nothing we can do about it. We can't see it to protect ourselves and there is really no proven treatment for it. So for some of us this maybe therapeutic.

So basically like several other human tragedies that we experience but don't freak out about.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So basically like several other human tragedies that we experience but don't freak out about.

I know this is like my 4th or 5th pandemic that wiped out a million people in record time and shut down all the countries. How about you?