Let’s talk about the Miami Dolphins

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by MAG

Tua is a bum. I'd be much more scared if Fitzmagic was starting.

This was gonna be my post so I'll just quote it here.

[Floresdontplaythat]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

This was gonna be my post so I'll just quote it here.

I think it's too early to make that call. Tua is used to throwing his receivers open. The issue with that is he can't because:
1. Our receivers don't get separation.
2. The OC doesn't open up the playbook...which may be a result of #1. Rarely are there calls to threaten a defense deep or even intermediately.

We only have viable receiver in DeVante Parker, and he's bottom 5 in average separation. Gesicki is near the bottom as well. Even when our #2 Preston Williams was healthy, he ranked near the bottom too. Tua didn't walk into a situation like Burrow: Green, Boyd, and Higgins at WR with Mixon at RB. Nor did he walk into Herbert's situation: Allen and Williams at WR and Ekeler at RB.

The offense seems like it functions better with Fitzpatrick because he's a gunslinger who doesn't mind throwing the ball up for grabs, opposite of the rookie. It's also why there's a constant fear that he'll turn the ball over as his play is up and down, you don't have to worry about that with Tua.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Floresdontplaythat

I think it's too early to make that call. Tua is used to throwing his receivers open. The issue with that is he can't because:

1. Our receivers don't get separation.

2. The OC doesn't open up the playbook...which may be a result of #1. Rarely are there calls to threaten a defense deep or even intermediately.



We only have viable receiver in DeVante Parker, and he's bottom 5 in average separation. Gesicki is near the bottom as well. Even when our #2 Preston Williams was healthy, he ranked near the bottom too. Tua didn't walk into a situation like Burrow: Green, Boyd, and Higgins at WR with Mixon at RB. Nor did he walk into Herbert's situation: Allen and Williams at WR and Ekeler at RB.



The offense seems like it functions better with Fitzpatrick because he's a gunslinger who doesn't mind throwing the ball up for grabs, opposite of the rookie. It's also why there's a constant fear that he'll turn the ball over as his play is up and down, you don't have to worry about that with Tua.

I don't know if Tua or Herbert will prove to be the better QB (I suspect that Herbert will be better) but I do know that I am glad Patrick Mahomes is right handed. I hate watching left handed quarterbacks. My brain just thinks it looks wrong.

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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Floresdontplaythat

I think it's too early to make that call. Tua is used to throwing his receivers open. The issue with that is he can't because:
1. Our receivers don't get separation.
2. The OC doesn't open up the playbook...which may be a result of #1. Rarely are there calls to threaten a defense deep or even intermediately.

We only have viable receiver in DeVante Parker, and he's bottom 5 in average separation. Gesicki is near the bottom as well. Even when our #2 Preston Williams was healthy, he ranked near the bottom too. Tua didn't walk into a situation like Burrow: Green, Boyd, and Higgins at WR with Mixon at RB. Nor did he walk into Herbert's situation: Allen and Williams at WR and Ekeler at RB.

The offense seems like it functions better with Fitzpatrick because he's a gunslinger who doesn't mind throwing the ball up for grabs, opposite of the rookie. It's also why there's a constant fear that he'll turn the ball over as his play is up and down, you don't have to worry about that with Tua.

Sorry man but this sounds like a whole lot of excuses.

You can say what you want about the Bengals WR's getting separation but Burrow literally had no time to throw behind that line, so they didn't even have time to get separation regardless of whether or not they were able.

[mililo4cpa]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry man but this sounds like a whole lot of excuses.

You can say what you want about the Bengals WR's getting separation but Burrow literally had no time to throw behind that line, so they didn't even have time to get separation regardless of whether or not they were able.

I agree with this.....

I don't understand that Tua "throws receivers open", but "can't because they can't separate...."

the whole concept of throwing someone open implies no separation, hence the reason you have to put the ball in the precise spot to get the completion...i.e. throw them open....

[Floresdontplaythat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry man but this sounds like a whole lot of excuses.

You can say what you want about the Bengals WR's getting separation but Burrow literally had no time to throw behind that line, so they didn't even have time to get separation regardless of whether or not they were able.

Miami's OL isn't the best either, we're literally starting 3 rookie offensive linemen and can't run the ball. Well separation is part of the issue, the other is actual talent. Our best receivers after Parker are a #4 at best 5'7 slot/gadget receiver, two converted college QB's, and a special teamer. Also doesn't help that our OC is almost 70 and was dragged out of retirement.

You may call it an excuse but I'd implore you to find a successful QB with a similar cast of weapons. Do you think Mahomes would have the same level of success if you guys didn't have Hill, Kelce, and Watkins and instead had our receivers?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Floresdontplaythat

You may call it an excuse but I'd implore you to find a successful QB with a similar cast of weapons. Do you think Mahomes would have the same level of success if you guys didn't have Hill, Kelce, and Watkins and instead had our receivers?

Im sorry, have you SEEN Patrick Mahomes throw the football? Scramble? Run?

Dude has highlight reel plays to scrubs like D-ROP, Incompletrius Harris, and Chris Conley. Then the same jaw dropper he had to Conley, he basicly replicated the next season to the LEGENDARY Byron Pringle. He put a 40 sone odd yard td on our FULLBACK for Christs sake.

If a guy can CATCH, then its over. Mahomes will put the ball on him. Doesnt matter who is playing.

ONE GAME with Mahomes got Albert "gator arms" Wilson his contract with the Dolphins.

Comparing Mahomes to anyone simply isnt fair to the other qb, because its rigged from the start.

[Floresdontplaythat]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Im sorry, have you SEEN Patrick Mahomes throw the football? Scramble? Run?

Dude has highlight reel plays to scrubs like D-ROP, Incompletrius Harris, and Chris Conley. Then the same jaw dropper he had to Conley, he basicly replicated the next season to the LEGENDARY Byron Pringle. He put a 40 sone odd yard td on our FULLBACK for Christs sake.

If a guy can CATCH, then its over. Mahomes will put the ball on him. Doesnt matter who is playing.

ONE GAME with Mahomes got Albert "gator arms" Wilson his contract with the Dolphins.

Comparing Mahomes to anyone simply isnt fair to the other qb, because its rigged from the start.

Mahomes can do it all. It sounded like I was questioning his skill and I should have worded it better. Now I miss Albert Wilson

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Floresdontplaythat

You may call it an excuse but I'd implore you to find a successful QB with a similar cast of weapons. Do you think Mahomes would have the same level of success if you guys didn't have Hill, Kelce, and Watkins and instead had our receivers?

Ryan Fitzpatrick posted an almost 80 QBR with that exact set of weapons. Just saying.

[Floresdontplaythat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Ryan Fitzpatrick posted an almost 80 QBR with that exact set of weapons. Just saying.

As I explained earlier, Fitzpatrick is a gunslinger who will throw it up anywhere while Tua is not. Preston Williams was also available when Fitzpatrick posted that QBR.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Floresdontplaythat

As I explained earlier, Fitzpatrick is a gunslinger who will throw it up anywhere while Tua is not. Preston Williams was also available when Fitzpatrick posted that QBR.

So the problem is that Tua doesn't trust his WR's to make a catch while Fitzpatrick either did (or didn't care).

That's not a recipe for ultimate success, just ask Alex Smith.