***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Do not argue with that, but that was not my point.

Your pulling a pete and trying to minimize the deaths. I know people die by the thousands every day that have nothing to do with Covid.

Americans are dying from Covid by the thousands every day. To me thats unacceptable.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Your pulling a pete and trying to minimize the deaths. I know people die by the thousands every day that have nothing to do with Covid.

Americans are dying from Covid by the thousands every day. To me thats unacceptable.

Or he is just pointing out your BS propaganda...

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[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by tooge

this is not true at all. You are talking covid deaths only on those days. If you want most deadly days, and you include all deaths, you are way off. In 2017, the average deaths per day in the US was 7700
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm

Also 3600 deaths in a single day in the 1860’s would be roughly 10 times that today. As a percentage of population

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Because there is no data on how this vaccine will effect people 5 years down the road. All current vaccines are not 100% safe. They give you a warning sheet when vaccinating your kids on the percentages of kids having bad reactions. Like mmr can give your kid seizures. It happens to a certain percentage of kids. They have years of data where the parent can make an informed decision.

Yes, that percentage is approximately 0.025%. And while scary, febrile seizures seldom have any consequences. In contrast, you are eight times more likely to die from measles, 240 times more likely to get pneumonia from measles, four times more likely to suffer encephalitis from measles, and 24 times more likely to have seizures from measles.

That, of course, does not include the percentage of similar events from either mumps or rubella.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Okay let's put it this way. Based on my age group I have about less than .2% chance of dieing from covid. What do you think my chances are for having an adverse reaction to a brand new vaccine where we don't know all the side effects? What would be the best bet when it comes to my personal health?

To get the vaccine. In the adult subgroup with the lowest percentage for complications (18-49 year olds), 2.2% of infections required hospitalization. You can survive a pulmonary embolism far more often than you don't, but it's quite a bit worse of an outcome than the 3.8% chance of Grade 3 fatigue, and Grade 3 fatigue isn't contagious to others.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Safety data is available here on pages 33-44. It's a safe vaccine:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by sedated

Employers can check the vaccine database? That seems like it would be on the confidential side of HIPAA.

If Ticketmaster can check your status before letting you into a concert, your employer can check your status before they let you into the building.

HIPAA doesn't cover public health issues.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Your pulling a pete and trying to minimize the deaths. I know people die by the thousands every day that have nothing to do with Covid.

Americans are dying from Covid by the thousands every day. To me thats unacceptable.

Thousands die from drug abuse, depression, and poverty. Why aren't you starting 1000 posts about that?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Thousands die from drug abuse, depression, and poverty. Why aren't you starting 1000 posts about that?

Ironically, COVID deaths have surpassed overdose deaths among Americans 25-44. Drug abuse and poverty are complex topics with a variety of socioeconomic causes. COVID is a public health issue that can be minimized by very simple measures that people willingly choose not to adopt, and can now be prevented by vaccines whose technology is years old and has been used in other diseases states without untoward effects.

[Donger]

3,200 deaths and 225,000 new cases reported today. Hopefully still backlog.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yes, that percentage is approximately 0.025%. And while scary, febrile seizures seldom have any consequences. In contrast, you are eight times more likely to die from measles, 240 times more likely to get pneumonia from measles, four times more likely to suffer encephalitis from measles, and 24 times more likely to have seizures from measles.

That, of course, does not include the percentage of similar events from either mumps or rubella.

Hence why I gave my kid their mmr shot. There was years and years of data on adverse reactions. So I was able to make an informed decision.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ironically, COVID deaths have surpassed overdose deaths among Americans 25-44. Drug abuse and poverty are complex topics with a variety of socioeconomic causes. COVID is a public health issue that can be minimized by very simple measures that people willingly choose not to adopt, and can now be prevented by vaccines whose technology is years old and has been used in other diseases states without untoward effects.

The study seems flawed to me, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. They seem to be attributing excess deaths in that age group to undiagnosed Covid, not to increases in suicides, overdoes and undiagnosed medical issues. Again, I could be interpreting this incorrectly, what are your thoughts?:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...4s-in-USA.aspx

In the study, published in the pre-print journal medRxiv*, the team has found that between March and July 2020, there were more than 74,000 all-cause deaths among adults between 25 and 44 years old.
The number is 14,155 more than during the same period in 2019, up by 23 percent. In regions such as New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona, Nevada, and Hawaii, the deaths tied to COVID-19 exceeded the 2018 unintentional opioid overdose deaths during at least one month.
Overall, there were 2,450 COVID-19 deaths recorded in these states during the pandemic compared to 2,445 opioid deaths during the same period in 2018. From March to July in 2018, the U.S. has recorded 10,347 deaths related to opioid overdosage, leading to 472,608 YLL among adults between 25 and 44 years old.
Amid the pandemic, there were 4,055 recorded COVID-19 deaths in the same age group, resulting in 175,631 YLL. When the team considered all of the 14,155 excess deaths in 2020, young adults accounted for 627,872 YLL, surpassing the YLL from overdose-related deaths during the same period in 2018.
Based on the study findings, the team concluded that COVID-19 has likely become the leading cause of death among young adults in some areas of the U.S. during the pandemic.

[Discuss Thrower]

Wouldn't data regarding suicides be delayed by legal investigations let alone HIPAA?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

speaking of history.

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. 9/11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

So wrong... The top 8 would all be from October of 1918 using your criteria.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ironically, COVID deaths have surpassed overdose deaths among Americans 25-44. Drug abuse and poverty are complex topics with a variety of socioeconomic causes. COVID is a public health issue that can be minimized by very simple measures that people willingly choose not to adopt, and can now be prevented by vaccines whose technology is years old and has been used in other diseases states without untoward effects.

So I guess I am a dumb ass enlighten me, I understood that this delivery system hadn’t been used before?