***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Hospitalizations follow increases in positive cases and deaths follow hospitalizations.

This has been the trend all along.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hospitalizations follow increases in positive cases and deaths follow hospitalizations.

This has been the trend all along.

I don't trust any of the numbers at this point.

The "cases".

The hospitalizations.

The deaths.

All of them linked to the PCR Test run to 40+ cycles.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't trust any of the numbers at this point.

The "cases".

The hospitalizations.

The deaths.

All of them linked to the PCR Test run to 40+ cycles.

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

It does nothing of the sort. But I think we need to get back to fundamentals. In order to have a disease..such as Covid, you need to have symptoms.

This was basic medical thinking prior to this year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by O.city

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

He's not wrong though

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It does nothing of the sort. But I think we need to get back to fundamentals. In order to have a disease..such as Covid, you need to have symptoms.

This was basic medical thinking prior to this year.

So you think those hospitalized don't have symptoms? I'm sure there are a few hospitalized for other things that end up testing positive, no clue on the number there. Thats gonna happen.

But based on my conversations with the ER docs I know here pretty well, thats not been the case for the vast majority of hospitalizations due to Covid. It's pretty obvious.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you think those hospitalized don't have symptoms? I'm sure there are a few hospitalized for other things that end up testing positive, no clue on the number there. Thats gonna happen.

But based on my conversations with the ER docs I know here pretty well, thats not been the case for the vast majority of hospitalizations due to Covid. It's pretty obvious.

Miami reported recently that more than 50% of their "Covid" patients came in for something else..then popped +on a PCR test.

I have seen other cities reporting more than 30% of their patients do not have Covid symptoms.

In NY I ask our county executive how many of the Covid hospital patients have Covid symptoms and there is silence.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't trust any of the numbers at this point.

The "cases".

The hospitalizations.

The deaths.

All of them linked to the PCR Test run to 40+ cycles.

Read what you said..... human beings are in a hospital because of a test. No symptoms, they just got a positive test and went directly to the hospital huh?


People are dead because they had a PCR test done?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Miami reported recently that more than 50% of their "Covid" patients came in for something else..then popped +on a PCR test.

I have seen other cities reporting more than 30% of their patients do not have Covid symptoms.

In NY I ask our county executive how many of the Covid hospital patients have Covid symptoms and there is silence.

ahhh so your a conspiracy guy. Believe what you want. Free country. Thanks for the information.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Read what you said..... human beings are in a hospital because of a test. No symptoms, they just got a positive test and went directly to the hospital huh?


People are dead because they had a PCR test done?

No. That's not what I said.

The question is how many Covid patients actually have Covid? The reason is that people coming for an ankle surgery have to get the PCR test. Once they do and show virus fragments, even if they are not sick, they now are a Covid "patient".

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

ahhh so your a conspiracy guy. Believe what you want. Free country. Thanks for the information.

Conspiracy guy?

You sound moronic. You're just babbling instead of processing information.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

No. That's not what I said.

The question is how many Covid patients actually have Covid? The reason is that people coming for an ankle surgery have to get the PCR test. Once they do and show virus fragments, even if they are not sick, they now are a Covid "patient".

They're not hospitalized if they come in for an elective ankle surgery and throw a positive for Covid.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Miami reported recently that more than 50% of their "Covid" patients came in for something else..then popped +on a PCR test.

I have seen other cities reporting more than 30% of their patients do not have Covid symptoms.

In NY I ask our county executive how many of the Covid hospital patients have Covid symptoms and there is silence.

So you are saying half the people hospitalized as COvid patients, aren't actually hospitalized for Covid symptoms?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're not hospitalized if they come in for an elective ankle surgery and throw a positive for Covid.

What do you mean not hospitalized? They are in the hospital and they are counted as Covid if they test +. Have seen numerous confirmations of this.

The only question is % total in each hospital.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you are saying half the people hospitalized as COvid patients, aren't actually hospitalized for Covid symptoms?

In Miami the answer to your question is yes. More than 50%.