***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am pretty much on the record stating that I think lock downs are dumb but if you want to lock people down then you need to compensate the businesses and employees.

I guess that's just uncaring of me wanting people to be able to eat, have a place to live a job, etc.


You on the other hand would have people literally starving in the streets. I just don't know why you go on, endlessly pretending otherwise?

Again, none of this has jack shit to do with the numbers. Which is why it's asinine that every few days we have to endure 5 pages of you debating whether they're accurate or not. It's not going to change your opinion. It's not going to change my opinion. So why do you keep wasting everyone's time?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaFace

. So why do you keep wasting everyone's time?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Again, none of this has jack shit to do with the numbers. Which is why it's asinine that every few days we have to endure 5 pages of you debating whether they're accurate or not. It's not going to change your opinion. It's not going to change my opinion. So why do you keep wasting everyone's time?

Why do you? I just asked a question and you are in the throws of a temper tantrum about it.

But you didn't waste the chance to use said "pointless post" to accuse me of being uncaring and what not.

If you don't like a post I make ignore it, okay? But don't spend pages of crying about me allegedly wasting people's time then pretend how you aren't doing the same.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's not what I asked......but why couldn't it?

Viral infections have long been known to potentially have cardiovascular effects, so it could very well cause you to have an MI.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Why do you? I just asked a question and you are in the throws of a temper tantrum about it.

But you didn't waste the chance to use said "pointless post" to accuse me of being uncaring and what not.

If you don't like a post I make ignore it, okay? But don't spend pages of crying about me allegedly wasting people's time then pretend how you aren't doing the same.

My issue is that this thread is really valuable and useful when people are discussing issues of actual importance. How are the vaccines doing? How is distribution doing? What strategies are working?

And then there's Pete who comes in and re-hashes the same arguments you've been having with people for NINE MONTHS. You alone are responsible for nearly ONE IN TEN posts in this thread. And if you'd like to compare, you have more posts in this thread alone than I have in all of ChiefsPlanet in the past THREE YEARS.

When someone dominates a discussion to that extent, it's just plain impossible to ignore.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am pretty much on the record stating that I think lock downs are dumb but if you want to lock people down then you need to compensate the businesses and employees.

I guess that's just uncaring of me wanting people to be able to eat, have a place to live a job, etc.


You on the other hand would have people literally starving in the streets. I just don't know why you go on, endlessly pretending otherwise?

How else do you keep people from spreading a deadly virus? the no lockdown crowd is also the no government handout crowd.

Masked or not if people are around other people it will spread, you try and reduce that spread to a point where the system can cope with the numbers ,if they can't you need to try something else, most likely way is to have less people being around other people .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

How else do you keep people from spreading a deadly virus? the no lockdown crowd is also the no government handout crowd.

Masked or not if people are around other people it will spread, you try and reduce that spread to a point where the system can cope with the numbers ,if they can't you need to try something else, most likely have less people being around other people .

No, the no lock down crowd is not just the no government crowd. That's you once again having to pigeon hole people that don't agree with you.

Lock every thing down.

Who is paying the rents, mortgages, bills, salaries? Who is buying food? Who is teaching the kids?


See, it's real easy to say "lock it all down" when you sit at home collecting a check. Meanwhile you have no problems making people homeless and starve.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, the no lock down crowd is not just the no government crowd. That's you once again having to pigeon hole people that don't agree with you.

Lock every thing down.

Who is paying the rents, mortgages, bills, salaries? Who is buying food? Who is teaching the kids?


See, it's real easy to say "lock it all down" when you sit at home collecting a check. Meanwhile you have no problems making people homeless and starve.

Keep it all open and let the chips fall where they may. Wonder how that would have turned out?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My issue is that this thread is really valuable and useful when people are discussing issues of actual importance. How are the vaccines doing? How is distribution doing? What strategies are working?

And then there's Pete who comes in and re-hashes the same arguments you've been having with people for NINE MONTHS. You alone are responsible for nearly ONE IN TEN posts in this thread. And if you'd like to compare, you have more posts in this thread alone than I have in all of ChiefsPlanet in the past THREE YEARS.

When someone dominates a discussion to that extent, it's just plain impossible to ignore.

Quality post. Compelling and rich.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keep it all open and let the chips fall where they may. Wonder how that would have turned out?

100's of millions of people without homes, jobs and starving....

Wonder how that would have turned out?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Millions of people without homes, jobs and starving....

Wonder how that would have turned out?

I was legitimately asking, but I guess I should have known better.

As we've seen, with this much viral spread in the community, people aren't exactly jumping at going out and about.

We've seen again, as numbers in areas get high, people quit going out. If they'd have left it up to people, I think it may have turned out similarly, but businesses and such would still be suffering.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

100's of millions of people without homes, jobs and starving....

Wonder how that would have turned out?

100's of millions of people? In America?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I was legitimately asking, but I guess I should have known better.

As we've seen, with this much viral spread in the community, people aren't exactly jumping at going out and about.

We've seen again, as numbers in areas get high, people quit going out. If they'd have left it up to people, I think it may have turned out similarly, but businesses and such would still be suffering.

You were not seriously asking. If you were it came off as rather rhetorical.


I have said this a hundred times and I will say it again, if you want to lock things down then fine. But you have to compensate the businesses and their employees and such.

I feel a lot better about it if a business suffers because people choose not to go out. That can happen at any time for any reason and does every few years because of simple economic swings.

That being said I am not a fan of shutting people down and tell them too ****ing bad when I have a pay check and I am not impacted by said edict.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

100's of millions of people? In America?

345 million and growing!

Would it be better if I said 10's of millions??

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

345 million and growing!

Would it be better if I said 10's of millions??

100's of millions of people homeless in america would be problematic.