***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Dr. Scott Gottlieb expects Covid vaccine shortages to last even if Moderna receives clearance

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/covi...next-week.html

Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday he expects a shortage of Covid-19 vaccine doses to continue past next week, even if the Food and Drug Administration issues emergency use authorization for Moderna’s vaccine.

“I’ve talked to hospitals. They’re vaccinating far fewer health-care providers than what they could be because they just don’t have the doses available,” the former FDA chief and Pfizer board member said on “Squawk Box.” “I don’t think that they’re going to catch up next week even after the Moderna doses ship and you start having more supply in the channel.”

The U.S. began administering shots to health-care workers Monday, just days after Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine received limited regulatory approval. However, confusion has arose in recent days as some governors across the country have said they now expect to receive fewer doses than anticipated in the coming weeks.

The Department of Health and Human Services has pushed back on those suggestions, telling CNBC in a statement that reports that “jurisdictions’ allocations are being reduced are incorrect.” The statement added, “As was done with the initial shipments of Pfizer vaccine, jurisdictions will receive vaccine at different sites over several days.”

In a statement Thursday, Pfizer said its manufacturing has not experienced any disruptions despite claims from Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis earlier this week that the drug company has had a production issue leading to dose shortages.

“This week, we successfully shipped all 2.9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the U.S. Government to the locations specified by them,” Pfizer said. “We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses.”

The U.S. government has said it plans to ship 2 million doses of Pfizer’s vaccine next week. Moderna’s vaccine could receive emergency approval as soon as Friday, and U.S. officials have said that just under 6 million doses of its vaccine could be shipped next week.

Gottlieb told CNBC he believes some of the confusion around available supply of Pfizer’s vaccine could be stemming from government concerns about the logistics network. He said there they may be the desire to temper the supply of Pfizer’s vaccine in the system to make sure the distribution network can handle it and doses don’t pile up anywhere.

“I think they should be taking some risk and leaning forward, trying to get more doses in people’s arms, both Moderna and Pfizer,” Gottlieb said, noting the current intensity of the U.S. epidemic. “I think getting as much protective immunity out into the population as possible is very important right now.”

Hospital workers and residents of long-term care facilities are receiving priority in the initial wave of vaccine distribution. “I think they could have pushed out more vaccine through the hospitals this month than what they’re doing. We could vaccinated many more people,” Gottlieb said.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by O.city

You’re right, those don’t matter

Uh huh. Not a rebuttal.


Same as it ever was.

Sometimes you guys come off as ghoulish.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Uh huh. Not a rebuttal.


Same as it ever was.

Sometimes you guys come off as ghoulish.

What response would you like?

Me to explain to you that “underlying” health issues include things like high blood pressure and diabetes, which, last I checked a pretty good portion of people have?

How am I supposed to respond to “are we still acting like the people dying didn’t have other things wrong with them”?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by O.city

What response would you like?

An honest one.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What I have heard is expect a sore arm and a few days of feeling like shit.

Originally Posted by petegz28

How long before your next stick? 3 weeks?

21 days and they said they are guaranteed to have it and it is reserved already.

I feel fine but yeah I think the 2nd shot will be the shits. Hopefully I will be lucky as I don't usually get any symptoms from the flu shot or any shot\vaccine that I can recall.

But I am older now so I am expecting the worst and hoping the best.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

What response would you like?

Me to explain to you that “underlying” health issues include things like high blood pressure and diabetes, which, last I checked a pretty good portion of people have?

How am I supposed to respond to “are we still acting like the people dying didn’t have other things wrong with them”?

Who doesn't have underlying health issues except people under 30 and there is still lots of young people that have all kinds of health issues. As you get older it happens. I have managed high blood pressure and Type 2 diabetes which is why I didn't want Covid.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stevieray

An honest one.

Honestly?

I think it's bullshit to downplay those with underlying health conditions getting and dying from this. Yeah, it's worse on you if you have an underlying condition. It's worse (significantly) from an age stratification standpoint, ie, if you're older.

So when someone says "are we still pretending x" I interpret that as downplaying this as it's not serious for anyone else and we shouldn't have sympathy or empathy for those people and we shouldn't take any precautions to help them out.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Honestly?

I think it's bullshit to downplay those with underlying health conditions getting and dying from this. Yeah, it's worse on you if you have an underlying condition. It's worse (significantly) from an age stratification standpoint, ie, if you're older.

So when someone says "are we still pretending x" I interpret that as downplaying this as it's not serious for anyone else and we shouldn't have sympathy or empathy for those people and we shouldn't take any precautions to help them out.

The problem is we don't know how many of those people are dying from vs dying with Covid. In Sweden everyone who dies with a positive Covid PCR test is counted as a Covid Death. We are doing that here too with the death certificate matching.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The problem is we don't know how many of those people are dying from vs dying with Covid. In Sweden everyone who dies with a positive Covid PCR test is counted as a Covid Death. We are doing that here too with the death certificate matching.

With and from is a bit of a run around to downplay this.

If you have a co morbidity such as say, severe type II diabetes, or atrial fib or insert your choice, an infection with sars cov II is potentially going to cause an increased incidence of that morbidity.

I'm open to hear of someone who's asymptomatic that posthumously tests positive for Covid after a sudden death not being counted in this manner. That makes sense.

But if you're a diabetic who has a severe bout with Covid and dies of kidney failure, well, medically, it would make sense that it was exacerbated by this disease.

Medically, the from and with conversation has alot of nuance with it.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Dude.

Florida governor and others states are complaining about the vaccine not going out and shortages. It was an official statement from Pfizer that triggered the discussion. I didn't accuse anyone of anything. Its from CNN and the Washington Post. Just copy and paste.

The vaccine roll out is really important. There will be issues with logistics. It's not supposed to be posted or talked about in here? Even without any personal opinions?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by O.city

Honestly?

I think it's bullshit to downplay those with underlying health conditions getting and dying from this. Yeah, it's worse on you if you have an underlying condition. It's worse (significantly) from an age stratification standpoint, ie, if you're older.

So when someone says "are we still pretending x" I interpret that as downplaying this as it's not serious for anyone else and we shouldn't have sympathy or empathy for those people and we shouldn't take any precautions to help them out.

Has nothing to do with empathy. that's just your go to.

The fact is, if people didn't have those underlying health conditions, the majority would most likely would still be alive.

I think labeling it as a disease instead of a respiratory virus and attributing the majority of deaths to covid alone is dishonest, creates fear and uncertainty moving forward.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Florida governor and others states are complaining about the vaccine not going out and shortages. It was an official statement from Pfizer that triggered the discussion. I didn't accuse anyone of anything. Its from CNN and the Washington Post. Just copy and paste.

The vaccine roll out is really important. There will be issues with logistics. It's not supposed to be posted or talked about in here? Even without any personal opinions?

I think the issue is your article referenced the "Trump Administration" multiple times and was a political hit piece. I posted an article about the same thing that never mentioned Trump and barely mentioned the government at all.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Has nothing to do with empathy. that's just your go to.

The fact is, if people didn't have those underlying health conditions, the majority would most likely would still be alive.

I think labeling it as a disease instead of a respiratory virus and attributing the majority of deaths to covid alone is dishonest, creates fear and uncertainty moving forward.

Sure, if people didn't have those underlying conditions we wouldn't have this issue. The number one "underlying condition" is age. So I'm not sure how they are supposed to control that, similarly a large portion of those conditions are genetic which is out of people's control.

This has been explained to you over and over man. It's a respiratory virus that causes disease. I'm not sure what you're hung up on there.

The virus causes disease.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, if people didn't have those underlying conditions we wouldn't have this issue. The number one "underlying condition" is age. So I'm not sure how they are supposed to control that, similarly a large portion of those conditions are genetic which is out of people's control.

This has been explained to you over and over man. It's a respiratory virus that causes disease. I'm not sure what you're hung up on there.

The virus causes disease.

It's pretty amazing that there are still people who have been following this for nine months that don't understand that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus) causes COVID-19 (the disease).

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, if people didn't have those underlying conditions we wouldn't have this issue. The number one "underlying condition" is age. So I'm not sure how they are supposed to control that, similarly a large portion of those conditions are genetic which is out of people's control.

This has been explained to you over and over man. It's a respiratory virus that causes disease. I'm not sure what you're hung up on there.

The virus causes disease.

what disease?

Age? yeah weakened and deteriorating immune systems? more of the same.

But it's not put out that way. It's #'s of deaths daily totally attributed to the virus.

Dishonest.