***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

God damn I can't hate the media enough at times...

Headline: NYC reports 'significant' COVID-19 vaccine reaction in health care worker

First paragraph:A health care worker in New York City suffered what officials are calling a "serious adverse event" after receiving Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. The worker, who was not identified, is stable after being treated for a significant allergic reaction.

Second paragraph: "With more than 30,000 COVID-19 vaccinations administered in New York City, we have received a single report of a serious adverse event in a health care worker," the New York City Health Department said in a statement on Wednesday.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nyc-r...th-care-worker


How can we scare people more???

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

God damn I can't hate the media enough at times...

Headline: NYC reports 'significant' COVID-19 vaccine reaction in health care worker

First paragraph:A health care worker in New York City suffered what officials are calling a "serious adverse event" after receiving Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. The worker, who was not identified, is stable after being treated for a significant allergic reaction.

Second paragraph: "With more than 30,000 COVID-19 vaccinations administered in New York City, we have received a single report of a serious adverse event in a health care worker," the New York City Health Department said in a statement on Wednesday.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nyc-r...th-care-worker


How can we scare people more???

I'm a big fan of the book Factfulness for a variety of reasons, but one of the points he makes is that you should always be skeptical of what he calls "lonely numbers." Without context, we often have very little idea of how mundane or severe the situation might be.

In this case, I'd love to have an article that compares the incidence rate of allergic reactions to other common vaccines. That would be a much better way of understanding whether this is at all abnormal.

Regardless, as long as the reactions can be managed when they occur (which seems to be the case), I'm not too worried about it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm a big fan of the book Factfulness for a variety of reasons, but one of the points he makes is that you should always be skeptical of what he calls "lonely numbers." Without context, we often have very little idea of how mundane or severe the situation might be.

In this case, I'd love to have an article that compares the incidence rate of allergic reactions to other common vaccines. That would be a much better way of understanding whether this is at all abnormal.

Regardless, as long as the reactions can be managed when they occur (which seems to be the case), I'm not too worried about it.

Pretty much.

I had to take a couple biostatistics classes in college. They were boring but also I learned alot about stuff like that.

"9 people had a terrible reaction to this vaccine and are in critical care".

When in actuality, it's well below the normal setting for those vaccinated. It is what it is I guess

[MahomesMagic]

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Grade III Adverse Reactions are considered serious, but are not life-threatening

[el borracho]

Questions for those who know more than I:

I am recovering from covid, almost two weeks since the onset of symptoms. I never had a fever, but still have a lingering dry cough. Is it safe for me to return to the world, or am I still a potential carrier?

Also, live-in girlfriend has managed not to catch it from me so far. She has tested negative three times to date. If, at some point, she does get covid would I be required to quarantine again? Or will I no longer be a potential carrier since I have had it and recovered?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Questions for those who know more than I:

I am recovering from covid, almost two weeks since the onset of symptoms. I never had a fever, but still have a lingering dry cough. Is it safe for me to return to the world, or am I still a potential carrier?

Also, live-in girlfriend has managed not to catch it from me so far. She has tested negative three times to date. If, at some point, she does get covid would I be required to quarantine again? Or will I no longer be a potential carrier since I have had it and recovered?

10 days post onset of symptoms you are considered released from quarantine.

If she hasn't gotten it yet, she's gotta finish out her 14 days I think. No, you should not be required to be quarantined again shoudl she get it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Questions for those who know more than I:

I am recovering from covid, almost two weeks since the onset of symptoms. I never had a fever, but still have a lingering dry cough. Is it safe for me to return to the world, or am I still a potential carrier?

Also, live-in girlfriend has managed not to catch it from me so far. She has tested negative three times to date. If, at some point, she does get covid would I be required to quarantine again? Or will I no longer be a potential carrier since I have had it and recovered?

Here is how our local health departments are handling it-

Lingering dry cough shouldn't be an issue as long as you have had no other symptoms for 5 consecutive days.

Your GF should be able to return to work given a negative test after 7 days from your last symptoms (dry cough not included in this case) or 10 days without a test. The 14 day standard no longer applies unless you WANT to do it.

We have had employees with a cough for weeks after recovery.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Questions for those who know more than I:

I am recovering from covid, almost two weeks since the onset of symptoms. I never had a fever, but still have a lingering dry cough. Is it safe for me to return to the world, or am I still a potential carrier?

Also, live-in girlfriend has managed not to catch it from me so far. She has tested negative three times to date. If, at some point, she does get covid would I be required to quarantine again? Or will I no longer be a potential carrier since I have had it and recovered?

Following:
My son had symptoms beginning Sunday the 13th. He tested positive Friday the 18th. As of yesterday his main complaints are dry persistent cough and head aches. He thinks his last fever was "a couple days ago".

One doctor told us he needs to wait 14 days post testing positive regardless of symptom onset.

Other sites say 10 days from symptom onset and needs to be fever free for 24 hours.

Mom and I just want to see him on Christmas but my son doesnt want to get us sick.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Following:

My son had symptoms beginning Sunday the 13th. He tested positive Friday the 18th. As of yesterday his main complaints are dry persistent cough and head aches. He thinks his last fever was "a couple days ago".



One doctor told us he needs to wait 14 days post testing positive regardless of symptom onset.



Other sites say 10 days from symptom onset and needs to be fever free for 24 hours.



Mom and I just want to see him on Christmas but my son doesnt want to get us sick.

Most likely you are safe...but I can understand the concern. If he has no fever you're probably good...probably

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Following:
My son had symptoms beginning Sunday the 13th. He tested positive Friday the 18th. As of yesterday his main complaints are dry persistent cough and head aches. He thinks his last fever was "a couple days ago".

One doctor told us he needs to wait 14 days post testing positive regardless of symptom onset.

Other sites say 10 days from symptom onset and needs to be fever free for 24 hours.

Mom and I just want to see him on Christmas but my son doesnt want to get us sick.

FWIW, my healthcare provider (Kaiser Permanente) says to isolate for 10 days from onset of symptoms (assuming no fever or other symptoms for at least 24 hours). That's consistent with the current CDC recommenations:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...isolation.html

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Most likely you are safe...but I can understand the concern. If he has no fever you're probably good...probably

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Wife and I are healthy in our mid 50`s but both are past cancer survivors. My son doesnt want to take any chances.

Originally Posted by DaFace

FWIW, my healthcare provider (Kaiser Permanente) says to isolate for 10 days from onset of symptoms (assuming no fever or other symptoms for at least 24 hours). That's consistent with the current CDC recommenations:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...isolation.html

Christmas will be 12 days since first onset of symptoms but he still has dry cough AND head aches. I have read that mild symptoms can last for months but patient is no longer contagious after 10-14 days. Its funny how each county health dept. and hospitals have their own individual recommendations lol

Thanks for the responses

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Wife and I are healthy in our mid 50`s but both are past cancer survivors. My son doesnt want to take any chances.



Christmas will be 12 days since first onset of symptoms but he still has dry cough AND head aches. I have read that mild symptoms can last for months but patient is no longer contagious after 10-14 days. Its funny how each county health dept. and hospitals have their own individual recommendations lol

Thanks for the responses

Any possibility of doing a hybrid approach? Only hanging out outside or in a ventilated garage maybe?

Obviously your risk tolerance is up to you. I'd guess you're in a reasonably safe situation, but given your son's aversion to taking any risks, I certainly wouldn't blame you for being careful.

With my own family (dad has asthma and heart conditions), I look at it this way: we're near the finish line with this damn thing. I'd rather not be the one to end it like this guy:

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Good news on the vaccine quantity front. Assuming manufacturing capacity doesn't become a problem, Pfizer and Moderna combined should let us vaccinate 200 million people by early summer.




I'm kind of tentatively targeting the 4th of July as a "pop the champagne" return to normalcy. It would be great if summer celebrations could help us all feel like we're through this thing.

I'm thinking as a "society" it will be the beginning of the football season/Labor day/beginning of the school year due to logistical issues getting the vaccine into arms. Lack of desire to take the vaccine in certain groups.

Like most here, if I get the vaccine before others had their chance, I'll still practice what others are doing to respect them and not get grief from not wearing a mask/social distancing. Others can tell their fellow citizens to **** off if challenged.


Now, after everyones had their chance, thats on you if you get the Covid, not me.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm thinking as a "society" it will be the beginning of the football season/Labor day/beginning of the school year due to logistical issues getting the vaccine into arms. Lack of desire to take the vaccine in certain groups.

Like most here, if I get the vaccine before others had their chance, I'll still practice what others are doing to respect them and not get grief from not wearing a mask/social distancing. Others can tell their fellow citizens to **** off if challenged.


Now, after everyones had their chance, thats on you if you get the Covid, not me.

Once you get the vaccine out where it's readily available to everyone, you fully open up and move on.

If thats the beginning of the spring/mid/summer etc.

At that point, it's everyones choice, like it or not.