Football Why is what Philly did worse than Pittsburgh? - Page 5

**DaFace** · 01-03-2021, 10:38 PM

The initial reaction to Philly pulling Hurts seems like it has been cries of how much of a "disgrace" it was. For example:

This is the most negative barrage of comments I have received about a game’s lack of integrity and that’s not even counting Giants-related bias.
Consensus from those in NFL and who have been associated with it: Disgrace.
That’s not the fault of the Washington Football Team.
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) January 4, 2021

But how is that any worse than other teams resting their starters? Our game didn't matter, but Pittsburgh rested a few guys which almost certainly helped Cleveland get into the playoffs and forced the Dolphins to sit at home.

Just curious if there's some reason I'm missing that the former situation is so egregious while the latter is just normal.

carcosa · 01-04-2021, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

From a couple of weeks ago. Pretty relevant tonight, though

Jason Kelce passionately explains why winning takes precedent in the NFL over everything, including evaluating youth in a down season. pic.twitter.com/x9CyzqQ47e
— Tim McManus (@Tim_McManus) December 16, 2020

If he doesn't retire, he's definitely coming to KC, right?

Sassy Squatch · 01-04-2021, 12:08 AM

They're still mad.

Carson Wentz and Zach Ertz are back out on the empty field at the Linc hanging with Jason Kelce over an hour after the season ended

This is very rare. This could be the last time we see all of them together with the Eagles pic.twitter.com/3Mg8CKvUVg
— John Clark (@JClarkNBCS) January 4, 2021

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2021, 12:09 AM

Hurts was 7 for 20 when he was replaced, so it’s ridiculous to pretend that he was hot or even playing well

chiefzilla1501 · 01-04-2021, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Wentz lost by sucking...I watched an Eagles game earlier this year and couldn't believe how bad he looked.

He's the most over-hyped, fizzle-out QB since RGIII...whatever magic he initially had...died with his injury that rookie year.

I know that. That doesn't mean it's a good look for your coach to lose your QB and then your most respected veteran captains. By the way, the look on hurts face suggests he was pissed as hell too.

**Buehler445** · 01-04-2021, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hurts was 7 for 20 when he was replaced, so it’s ridiculous to pretend that he was hot or even playing well

Woah.

7 of 20? Like 35% 7 of 20? Or some other kind of weird advanced stat 7 of 20.

Because 7 of 20 is really ****ing bad.

Megatron96 · 01-04-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hurts was 7 for 20 when he was replaced, so it’s ridiculous to pretend that he was hot or even playing well

But they were still in it. Yeah, Hurts wasn't playing great, but he was playing well enough for them to score two TDs. And they were just 3 points from tying it. Bringing in Sudafed at that point was disastrous.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Woah.

7 of 20? Like 35% 7 of 20? Or some other kind of weird advanced stat 7 of 20.

Because 7 of 20 is really ****ing bad.

7/20 for 72 yards and a INT. This wasn’t an unreasonable decision.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametr...10103_WAS@PHI/

Sassy Squatch · 01-04-2021, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Woah.

7 of 20? Like 35% 7 of 20? Or some other kind of weird advanced stat 7 of 20.

Because 7 of 20 is really ****ing bad.

Had 2 TDs rushing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2021, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

But they were still in it. Yeah, Hurts wasn't playing great, but he was playing well enough for them to score two TDs. And they were just 3 points from tying it. Bringing in Sudafed at that point was disastrous.

Hurts played through the 3rd quarter and finished 7 for 20 for 72 yards and a INT. Those are pretty awful numbers so it’s really not as crazy as the controversy is being portrayed.

I mean, if he was 21/28 with 248 yards and a 2 TD’s, sure, that would be egregiously mysterious and head scratching but 7 completions through 45 minutes???

staylor26 · 01-04-2021, 12:35 AM

The funny thing is winning the NFCE is a bad thing this year. It’s the biggest L in the division.

None of the teams are good enough to win it all, and the Redskins have now ruined any chance they had at a QB barring a huge trade up.

**morphius** · 01-04-2021, 01:13 AM

To me it wasn't a big deal. Getting into the playoffs is nice and all, but with a 6 win season, come on. Only 8 teams in the league had a worse record than that. Week 17 lots of funny things happen, teams rest a lot of players, lost have they shouldn't. Etc, etc.

kccrow · 01-04-2021, 01:23 AM

Was it to:

Get the 6th pick instead of the 9th?

or

Try winning with a guy that isn't 7 for 20 in the game?

or

Legitimately wanting one last look at Sudfeld in game action?

or

All of the above?

Kudos Philly. Kudos.

warpaint* · 01-04-2021, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I think holding players out is ok. Throwing in the towel half way through a competitive effort is where the line gets crossed.

He's not the first this year to do it, but the other guy that clearly shit his pants will be gone soon (also goes by Doug).

Ya I mean you hold players out when there is a competitive reason to do so IE they’re nicked up and/or need rest going into the playoffs. That’s what the Chiefs and Steelers did and then they both tried to win.

The Eagles had no reason in that sense to play a placeholder everyone knows isn’t the future. His performance wasn’t even respectable which made it all the worse. They stood no shot with him in there and anyone watching or playing the game could see that as well as the fact they were in the game with a real chance with Hurts who actually conceivably could be the future and is worthy of those snaps for the reasons ascribed to why they played the scrub.

This has nothing to do with the Giants or their record. Pederson lost his locker room last night and rightfully so. Guys have pride they want to win games. Same reason the Jets didn’t fold.

warpaint* · 01-04-2021, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

The funny thing is winning the NFCE is a bad thing this year. It’s the biggest L in the division.

None of the teams are good enough to win it all, and the Redskins have now ruined any chance they had at a QB barring a huge trade up.

Thats true but also not how winners think (locker room mentality not record)

7-9 Seahawks parlayed such an opportunity into a playoff win and I’m guessing if you asked them at the time as well as the Redskins now they’d tell you they’re trying to win a Súper bowl and believe they could as well.

If it were me I’d tweak the playoff rules so that div winners must be 9-7 or better and if not I’d give their PO berth to another wild card with a better record assuming one exists.

What the Eagles did was a joke but so is the notion of the Giants or Redskins in these playoffs to begin with.

njchiefs · 01-04-2021, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Resting your starters for the playoffs is quite a bit different than pulling starters in a competitive game to lose on purpose.

You saw Hurts numbers? It’s not like they were pulling a real quarterback.

01-03-2021, 10:38 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1973101	Why is what Philly did worse than Pittsburgh? The initial reaction to Philly pulling Hurts seems like it has been cries of how much of a "disgrace" it was. For example: This is the most negative barrage of comments I have received about a game’s lack of integrity and that’s not even counting Giants-related bias. Consensus from those in NFL and who have been associated with it: Disgrace. That’s not the fault of the Washington Football Team. — Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) January 4, 2021 But how is that any worse than other teams resting their starters? Our game didn't matter, but Pittsburgh rested a few guys which almost certainly helped Cleveland get into the playoffs and forced the Dolphins to sit at home. Just curious if there's some reason I'm missing that the former situation is so egregious while the latter is just normal.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2210960	The funny thing is winning the NFCE is a bad thing this year. It’s the biggest L in the division. None of the teams are good enough to win it all, and the Redskins have now ruined any chance they had at a QB barring a huge trade up.
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morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5695027	To me it wasn't a big deal. Getting into the playoffs is nice and all, but with a 6 win season, come on. Only 8 teams in the league had a worse record than that. Week 17 lots of funny things happen, teams rest a lot of players, lost have they shouldn't. Etc, etc.
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1370000	Was it to: Get the 6th pick instead of the 9th? or Try winning with a guy that isn't 7 for 20 in the game? or Legitimately wanting one last look at Sudfeld in game action? or All of the above? Kudos Philly. Kudos.
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