Houston hires Nick Caserio to be GM

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by wazu

It was one year on a sinking ship with Matt Cassel and Romeo Crennel. Whatever he was then, he’s proven to be a pretty good offensive coordinator lately. Maybe he’ll fail as a head coach but if his one year as Chiefs o-coordinator 8 years ago is the entire case for that it’s pretty weak.

His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

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[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

29th
31st
20th
32nd
30th
23rd
2nd (this year)

Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

He started his career under Saban at Michigan State. He's part of the Belichik good old boy network. He's a Patriot Way jag off.

And as far as tailoring his offense, it's far more about Allen maturing than it is about Daboll doing anything right. Their offense was horrible last year.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He started his career under Saban at Michigan State. He's part of the Belichik good old boy network. He's a Patriot Way jag off.

And as far as tailoring his offense, it's far more about Allen maturing than it is about Daboll doing anything right. Their offense was horrible last year.

The offense you see now started in Allen's rookie year. It was completely made after Allen got injured where Daboll turned it into "One Read and if that's covered Run".

That was needed because Allen doing pro-style reading a defense was a DISASTER.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The offense you see now started in Allen's rookie year. It was completely made after Allen got injured where Daboll turned it into "One Read and if that's covered Run".

That was needed because Allen doing pro-style reading a defense was a DISASTER.

And despite Daboll's changes, Allen still needed almost a whole season to "get" it.

If he goes to Houston, with Watson, he's going to have carte blanche to go back to his old offense and force it on Watson. The good news for Watson is that he's already familiar with those concept because he's been playing in an E/P offense already.

The bad news for Watson is that Daboll's version of the offense is terrible and the only time he's actually been decent is when he was forced to change the offense to specifically fit the QB.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And despite Daboll's changes, Allen still needed almost a whole season to "get" it.

If he goes to Houston, with Watson, he's going to have carte blanche to go back to his old offense and force it on Watson. The good news for Watson is that he's already familiar with those concept because he's been playing in an E/P offense already.

The bad news for Watson is that Daboll's version of the offense is terrible and the only time he's actually been decent is when he was forced to change the offense to specifically fit the QB.

Well, Watson and Allen are completely different QB's. So if he just makes Watson run the old Patriots offense, yes, he would fail.

I would think he would create something based on Watson which is great athleticism and lots of deep shots downfield.

The big issue here is Easterby/Caserio. I would not want to walk into that toxic environment.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Well, Watson and Allen are completely different QB's. So if he just makes Watson run the old Patriots offense, yes, he would fail.

I would think he would create something based on Watson which is great athleticism and lots of deep shots downfield.

The big issue here is Easterby/Caserio. I would not want to walk into that toxic environment.

Why would he tailor an offense for Watson? Watson is a prototypical 2020 QB. He doesn't have the limitations that a guy like Allen has. Daboll only tailored the Bills offense because he HAD to.

As HC of the Texans, working for Caserio, the same checks and balances aren't in place. These guys have HUGE egos. I can totally see him coming in there and expecting Watson to run Daboll's offense the way it is, and only customizing it once things start to go wrong.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Where you have to give credit Daboll is being humble. He has failed at pretty much every stop as an OC prior to Buffalo. He only got another shot in the NFL after going to college and working under Saban.

There it looks like he soaked up the college game and his ideas now include all sorts of modern college concepts that were lacking before.

In Buffalo he was handed a QB with a rocket arm, size, and mobility. But Allen was not going to work in a Tom Brady Patriot offense where it is about fast processing and finding the open guy.

So Daboll created an entirely new offense designed to max out Allen and hide his weaknesses (processing the field, throwing with anticipation, knowing what to do post snap).

That's really what teams should look for now. Not someone that preaches a system and tries to jam the QB into it. Someone that will build around their QB and make them successful.

I think so. But everyone thought the same for Bill O'Brien when he went to Penn state. A bellichick stooge like Caserio could be an enabler that reverts daboll back to the same patriot way habits. He may have some hope if he goes his own way. But feel like with Caserio and Pioli lurking he will get sucked back in.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think so. But everyone thought the same for Bill O'Brien when he went to Penn state. A bellichick stooge like Caserio could be an enabler that reverts daboll back to the same patriot way habits. He may have some hope if he goes his own way. But feel like with Caserio and Pioli lurking he will get sucked back in.

yep

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

His entire body of work is not impressive at all.

He's done well with Allen but he's also working for a HC that has a very strong idea of how to run a team and his HC is not a E/P or Patriots guy.

He's been a position coach on some awful offenses (and one good one which featured Brett Favre at QB) but here's his scoring offenses as an offensive coordinator.

29th
31st
20th
32nd
30th
23rd
2nd (this year)

Why would a good head coach hire a bad offensive coordinator?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why would a good head coach hire a bad offensive coordinator?

Favoritism. The NFL recycles retreads all the time, how is this even a question?