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[diqlix]

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa

Actually, there are many more than Chiefs fans that think this....and I mean, he has already won a Super Bowl, a SB MVP, and league MVP, is in the conversation for a second MVP (that he probably won't win, but it's not outlandish to think that), and just won 14 of the 15 games he's played this year, and is 43 - 10 (including playoffs) in all of his starts.....

But yeah....it's ridiculous....and HEY! IS THAT A Josh Allen NO LOOK PASS?!?!?!?

1 season’s awards make someone that GOAT?

No.

Mahomes is behind Allen in MVP odds.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by daquix

1 season’s awards make someone that GOAT?

No.

Mahomes is behind Allen in MVP odds.

Of course Mahomes can't be the GOAT yet you ignorant fool. That takes time and this is Mahomes 3rd starting (same years as your boy Allen who has done jack squat). Chiefs fans are of course excited about Mahomes because his TALENT displayed is HOF worthy and his early resume blows away even the greatest QB's to ever play at the same stage of their careers.

Don't come in here pushing slow eyes Josh and dissing Mahomes because it just makes you look reeruned. BTW, it's not Chiefs fans who just came up with this on our own.

Here is someone you might have heard of:

"The arm & release of Marino....the escapeability & the field vision of Aaron Rodgers & the inventiveness of Favre......so you're talking rare company there"

- Bill Polian on Patrick Mahomes #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/MAEBu25tWp

— SiriusXM NFL Radio (@SiriusXMNFL) October 3, 2018

[diqlix]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Of course Mahomes can't be the GOAT yet you ignorant fool. That takes time

All joking aside, thank you for admitting this.

There are Chiefs fan who actually think Mahomes is the GOAT already.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by daquix

1 season’s awards make someone that GOAT?

No.

Mahomes is behind Allen in MVP odds.

That would be two seasons of awards, actually.

Mahomes is a shoo-in the the HOF right now, but not the GOAT. Being the GOAT is all about accomplishments, not physical abilities. That's why Brady is the GOAT and not Marino, in spite of the fact that as an actual passer, Marino was light-years beyond anything Brady could even dream of being. But Brady has the Rings and the other hardware, so he's the GOAT.

It would take at a minimum another 5-7 seasons at Patrick's current level of play to have a shot at GOAT status. Call it three more Rings, two more SB MVPs, a couple more regular season MVPs, somewhere north of 45,000 yds, around 400 TDs/70 INTs . . . something like that would probably get it done.

[diqlix]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

That would be two seasons of awards, actually.

Mahomes is a shoo-in the the HOF right now, but not the GOAT. Being the GOAT is all about accomplishments, not physical abilities. That's why Brady is the GOAT and not Marino, in spite of the fact that as an actual passer, Marino was light-years beyond anything Brady could even dream of being. But Brady has the Rings and the other hardware, so he's the GOAT.

It would take at a minimum another 5-7 seasons at Patrick's current level of play to have a shot at GOAT status. Call it three more Rings, two more SB MVPs, a couple more regular season MVPs, somewhere north of 45,000 yds, around 400 TDs/70 INTs . . . something like that would probably get it done.

If Mahomes retired today, you think he is a shoo-in for the HOF?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by daquix

If Mahomes retired today, you think he is a shoo-in for the HOF?

I think probably. He has the big awards already. Super Bowl Ring, Super Bowl MVP, regular season MVP, his record in the playoffs, his TD/INT ratio in the playoffs, second-youngest to throw 5000/50, fastest to 100 TDs, and a pretty extensive pile of other records that someone else can list if they want to.

There's plenty of HOF QBs that don't have just the first three things I listed there.

And I'm not blue-skying the idea. The idea that Patrick is already a HOF candidate has been floated by the likes of Louis Riddick, Dan Orlovsky, Trey Wingo, Jim Rome, Mike Greenberg, etc., since winning LIV.

The case could be made that Mahomes, between his accomplishments and his absurdly efficient production, has already made a place for himself in the HOF.

In fact, it's already been made by some of those gentlemen I referred to above.

I think that he could play three more seasons and not win another SB and easily be a first-ballot HOFer, if his production stayed right where it is. He'd have played 6 seasons, amassed over 30,000 yds, around 300 TDs vs. about 40-50 INTs.

Skipping the ridiculous TD/INT ratio, which is better than any HOF QB that ever played, those numbers take most QBs about a decade to earn. And there's plenty of QBs that never threw 300 TDs, or 30,000 yds.

[diqlix]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I think probably. He has the big awards already. Super Bowl Ring, Super Bowl MVP, regular season MVP, his record in the playoffs, his TD/INT ratio in the playoffs, second-youngest to throw 5000/50, fastest to 100 TDs, and a pretty extensive pile of other records that someone else can list if they want to.

There's plenty of HOF QBs that don't have just the first three things I listed there.

And I'm not blue-skying the idea. The idea that Patrick is already a HOF candidate has been floated by the likes of Louis Riddick, Dan Orlovsky, Trey Wingo, Jim Rome, Mike Greenberg, etc., since winning LIV.

The case could be made that Mahomes, between his accomplishments and his absurdly efficient production, has already made a place for himself in the HOF.

In fact, it's already been made by some of those gentlemen I referred to above.

I think that he could play three more seasons and not win another SB and easily be a first-ballot HOFer, if his production stayed right where it is. He'd have played 6 seasons, amassed over 30,000 yds, around 300 TDs vs. about 40-50 INTs.

Skipping the ridiculous TD/INT ratio, which is better than any HOF QB that ever played, those numbers take most QBs about a decade to earn. And there's plenty of QBs that never threw 300 TDs, or 30,000 yds.

I think you’re seeing with Chiefs glasses on.

There are many QB’s with 1 Super Bowl and good stats that are not in the Hall of Fame.

It’s about sustained success.

3 more seasons (which you mentioned), then I agree.

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[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by daquix

I think you’re seeing with Chiefs glasses on.

No, I'm not. You say you're a numbers guy; simply check his stats/awards/accomplishments vs. the list of QBs currently in the HOF. Based on stats alone, he's probably in now, in consideration with his SB win, a reg. season MVP, and SB MVP.

Then consider the consistency of his production. He's averaging more than 4,500 yards/season, averaging more than 38 TDs/season, just 8 INTs/season, a 38-8 W/L record, 6 4th Q comebacks, 7 game-winning drives, etc.

And remember, he actually missed 3.75 games in his career. Had he actually played those games his TD total would be at least 120, or at least 40 TDs/season, a TD/INT ratio of over 5:1? That's a league record, btw.

And we haven't even started talking about all those next gen stats people nowadays like to talk about. Like that he has the highest ANY/A number in league history.

Or that he's likely to be the fastest to 15,000 yds. Fastest to 200 TDs. Et cetera and so on.

the fact is, that Mahomes already has smashed a long list of NFL records in just three years as a starter, in spite of missing 3.75 games.

Then add in the SB, MVP awards, the 5000/50, etc., and it's pretty clear that Mahomes right now if he retired after this season, would be almost a lock for a first-ballot HOF. Certainly he would be a HOFer at some point, just based on his stats and record-breaking career as it stands.

Which is to say nothing of the eye test, which doesn't even need stats to prop up his claim to a jacket. He's the QB version of Barry Sanders. You don't need stats to see that the guy is unique, and uniquely gifted at his position. just watch him play. That's literally all anyone really needs to know.

[diqlix]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

No, I'm not. You say you're a numbers guy; simply check his stats/awards/accomplishments vs. the list of QBs currently in the HOF. Based on stats alone, he's probably in now, in consideration with his SB win, a reg. season MVP, and SB MVP.

Then consider the consistency of his production. He's averaging more than 4,500 yards/season, averaging more than 38 TDs/season, just 8 INTs/season, a 38-8 W/L record, 6 4th Q comebacks, 7 game-winning drives, etc.

And remember, he actually missed 3.75 games in his career. Had he actually played those games his TD total would be at least 120, or at least 40 TDs/season, a TD/INT ratio of over 5:1? That's a league record, btw.

And we haven't even started talking about all those next gen stats people nowadays like to talk about. Like that he has the highest ANY/A number in league history.

Or that he's likely to be the fastest to 15,000 yds. Fastest to 200 TDs. Et cetera and so on.

the fact is, that Mahomes already has smashed a long list of NFL records in just three years as a starter, in spite of missing 3.75 games.

Then add in the SB, MVP awards, the 5000/50, etc., and it's pretty clear that Mahomes right now if he retired after this season, would be almost a lock for a first-ballot HOF. Certainly he would be a HOFer at some point, just based on his stats and record-breaking career as it stands.

Which is to say nothing of the eye test, which doesn't even need stats to prop up his claim to a jacket. He's the QB version of Barry Sanders. You don't need stats to see that the guy is unique, and uniquely gifted at his position. just watch him play. That's literally all anyone really needs to know.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

It’s nothing against Mahomes, I just don’t think ANY player would make the HOF after 3 years.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by daquix

I think you’re seeing with Chiefs glasses on.

There are many QB’s with 1 Super Bowl and good stats that are not in the Hall of Fame.

It’s about sustained success.

3 more seasons (which you mentioned), then I agree.

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"Good" stats

Career (2017-2020): 14,152 yards, 114 TDs, 24 Ints, 108.7 QB rating

Including one season of 5,000+ yards and 50 TDs. Only the second player EVER to do that.

"Good" stats...

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by daquix

Mahomes is behind Allen in MVP odds.

You should totally make that quote into a poster for your bedroom/basement wall.