***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

All you have to do is read his words to see what he's arguing:

You mumble about cases for months on end when most were a pile of bunk

As to why the WHO issued the reminder, it's right there:

WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.

Great. So wouldn't that mean you are recording cases when you probably shouldn't be?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why don't you go and find some more false tweets, post them for an obvious reason, and then say you can't explain why you can't explain, pete.

Have at it.

Donger, you are defending or at least clarifying the WHO saying the PCR tests are cycled too high and should be lowered to get a more accurate picture out of one side of your mouth. And out of the other you are arguing with Pasta about the legitimacy of the case posted numbers when he claims they are inflated.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You lied again. You mumbled about cases which is true and they should be much lower if recorded correctly which is also true

Wrong again. I have zero doubt that there are false positives, just like there are false negatives. What I'm very sure about is that the actual number of infections far exceeds the "official" count of ~25 million cases.

You agree with that, yes?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Great. So wouldn't that mean you are recording cases when you probably shouldn't be?

See above.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

See above.

Yeah, we know.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Donger, you are defending or at least clarifying the WHO saying the PCR tests are cycled too high and should be lowered to get a more accurate picture out of one side of your mouth. And out of the other you are arguing with Pasta about the legitimacy of the case posted numbers when he claims they are inflated.

No. I'm arguing that the tweet you posted is false, and I have proven that. It's not new guidance from the WHO. I know why you posted it. And so do you, since you acknowledge why you can't get into it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, we know.

It's cool, pete. You chose to post a tweet that is false, either intentionally or not, to try to make a political point.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

No. I'm arguing that the tweet you posted is false, and I have proven that. It's not new guidance from the WHO. I know why you posted it. And so do you, since you acknowledge why you can't get into it.

Yeah, all your lip flapping and you still didn't answer the question.


Good night, Donger.

[Perineum Ripper]

Jesus ****, would you two quit arguing about everything that is posted.



**** everyone gets it, you two disagree about everything, you guys would argue over what shade of blue the sky is. I would have banned you both from this thread months ago for opinion spamming.


Please for the love of ****, quit arguing about everything. Post your shit then move on, the rest of us don’t want to see your bullshit spraying everywhere

[C3HIEF3S]

Originally Posted by mac459

Jesus ****, would you two quit arguing about everything that is posted.



**** everyone gets it, you two disagree about everything, you guys would argue over what shade of blue the sky is. I would have banned you both from this thread months ago for opinion spamming.


Please for the love of ****, quit arguing about everything. Post your shit then move on, the rest of us don’t want to see your bullshit spraying everywhere

This.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mac459

Jesus ****, would you two quit arguing about everything that is posted.



**** everyone gets it, you two disagree about everything, you guys would argue over what shade of blue the sky is. I would have banned you both from this thread months ago for opinion spamming.


Please for the love of ****, quit arguing about everything. Post your shit then move on, the rest of us don’t want to see your bullshit spraying everywhere

Well, I see someone did just that.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, I see someone did just that.

Yep probably months overdue.

[stevieray]

Died Oct 6, 2020

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yep probably months overdue.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Buh bye

[dlphg9]

Can we ban PGM? Hes a bigger pain in the ass than either one of them. At least those 2 had an actual thought other than instigating shit.