The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, especially considering that a 1st round running back is going to see far more snaps than a linebacker in a 5-2.

For example, the Patriots had a 1st round RB when they won the Super Bowl against the Rams in Sony Michel. The Rams had a 1st round running back in Gurley in the 2018 Super Bowl and on and on and on.

Just because some teams might be able to find a running back later in the draft doesn't mean that those teams are going to win a Super Bowl.

There's not a chance in hell that the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl this year with Darrel Williams, DeAndre Washington and Darwin Award Thompson.

It's not just some teams, it's most if not all teams. The Chiefs won a SB with an UDFA RB leading the way last year.

The Rams with Gurley couldn't get rid of him fast enough when he started breaking down.

The difference between a good and great running back is so small, it's not worth the investment.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's not just some teams, it's most if not all teams. The Chiefs won a SB with an UDFA RB leading the way last year.

The Rams with Gurley couldn't get rid of him fast enough when he started breaking down.

The difference between a good and great running back is so small, it's not worth the investment.

The Rams also spent their first pick last year (though a 2nd) to replace Gurley after using a 3rd in 2018 on Henderson.

I don’t think they’re the best example against drafting a RB high.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's not just some teams, it's most if not all teams. The Chiefs won a SB with an UDFA RB leading the way last year.

The Rams with Gurley couldn't get rid of him fast enough when he started breaking down.

The difference between a good and great running back is so small, it's not worth the investment.

So, you think the difference between Derrick Henry and Darwin Award Thompson is "so small"?

If so, you and I evaluate talent much differently.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you think the difference between Derrick Henry and Darwin Award Thompson is "so small"?

If so, you and I evaluate talent much differently.

You consider Thompson to be a good running back?

I said the difference between good and great. Not great and average.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's not just some teams, it's most if not all teams. The Chiefs won a SB with an UDFA RB leading the way last year.

The Rams with Gurley couldn't get rid of him fast enough when he started breaking down.

Gurley was drafted in 2015 and led the Rams to the 2018 Super Bowl. I'd say that was worth a 1st round pick.

He also had pretty nice numbers:

2015: 1,294 yards from scrimmage, 10 TD's
2016: 1,212 yards from scrimmage, 6 TD's
2017: 2,093 yards from scrimmage, 19 TD's
2018: 1,831 yards from scrimmage, 21 TD's
2019: 1,064 yards from scrimmage, 14 TD's.

The guy also had well more than 310 touches per season from 2016-2018, so it's not surprising that the wheels fell off in 2020. It's also difficult to overstate that he had 70 Touchdowns in 5 years with the Rams.

Damien Williams has been in the league since 2014 and has a grand total of 22 TD's.

But sure, very little difference between the two running backs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Gurley was drafted in 2015 and led the Rams to the 2018 Super Bowl. I'd say that was worth a 1st round pick.

He also had pretty nice numbers:

2015: 1,294 yards from scrimmage, 10 TD's
2016: 1,212 yards from scrimmage, 6 TD's
2017: 2,093 yards from scrimmage, 19 TD's
2018: 1,831 yards from scrimmage, 21 TD's
2019: 1,064 yards from scrimmage, 14 TD's.

The guy also had well more than 310 touches per season from 2016-2018, so it's not surprising that the wheels fell off in 2020. It's also difficult to overstate that he had 70 Touchdowns in 5 years with the Rams.

Damien Williams has been in the league since 2014 and has a grand total of 22 TD's.

But sure, very little difference between the two running backs.

That’s good numbers. It still was a shitty draft pick.

Running backs are easily found and easily replaced. Don’t draft them in the first round

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

That’s good numbers. It still was a shitty draft pick.

Running backs are easily found and easily replaced. Don’t draft them in the first round

So, you think that the Rams would have won the NFC in 2018 without Gurley?

What are you smoking?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you think that the Rams would have won the NFC in 2018 without Gurley?

What are you smoking?

Their leading rusher in the playoffs was cj Anderson who they plucked off the street

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Their leading rusher in the playoffs was cj Anderson who they plucked off the street

I think that's because Gurley had a bone-on-bone knee but regardless, you can't just discount 70 TD's in 5 years.

Jamal Charles had 64 in 11 years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Running backs are easily found and easily replaced. Don’t draft them in the first round

If they're so easy to find, why the did the Chiefs running game suck ass in 2019?

If they're so easy to find, why did the Chiefs need to draft a running back in the first round this year?

If they're so easy to find, why does any team bother paying their running back after their contracts expire?

This is a really dopey narrative that's just spun out of control on Chiefsplanet. Sure, teams can hit on guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds but there's generally a reason as to why running backs that are drafted from the 4th-7th generally don't do dick in the NFL.

And while there have been a few undrafted guys that will play well for a year or two, the reason why they went undrafted usually rears its ugly head sooner rather than later.

This is almost as bad as you saying that if Mahomes needed to sit for year, you wouldn't spend anything more than a 3rd rounder on him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If they're so easy to find, why the did the Chiefs running game suck ass in 2019?

If they're so easy to find, why did the Chiefs need to draft a running back in the first round this year?

If they're so easy to find, why does any team bother paying their running back after their contracts expire?

This is a really dopey narrative that's just spun out of control on Chiefsplanet. Sure, teams can hit on guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds but there's generally a reason as to why running backs that are drafted from the 4th-7th generally don't do dick in the NFL.

And while there have been a few undrafted guys that will play well for a year or two, the reason why they went undrafted usually rears its ugly head sooner rather than later.

This is almost as bad as you saying that if Mahomes needed to sit for year, you wouldn't spend anything more than a 3rd rounder on him.

The running game was good enough to win a super bowl.

They didn’t need to draft one in the first round.

There are running backs in the 2nd and third round every single year man. Good ones. Take one there, play him for four years and find another one.

The position takes such a beating they break down quick and the value just isn’t there.

And I don’t remember saying that about Mahomes but I’ve been wrong before probably will be again

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

The running game was good enough to win a super bowl.

They didn’t need to draft one in the first round.

No, it was not. Damien Williams hasn't been healthy for a full 16 game season, EVER. And he opted out AFTER the draft.

There is absolutely no way the Chiefs would be heading to the Super Bowl without CEH.

Originally Posted by O.city

There are running backs in the 2nd and third round every single year man. Good ones. Take one there, play him for four years and find another one.

If you're picking at #64, you're taking a huge risk that the guy that fits your system just isn't there. So then what? What until the 4th, 5th or 6th and hope that the running back drafted can stay healthy and fit the system?

That's a shitty approach to management. The best managers are PROACTIVE, not reactive, and sitting around thinking you can get a guy later is a recipe for disaster.

Originally Posted by O.city

The position takes such a beating they break down quick and the value just isn’t there.

The value is most certainly "there". The Chiefs wouldn't be headed to the Super Bowl without CEH, the Rams wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Gurley, the Patriots wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Sony Michel and so on.

The Bills have tried the "Budget Running Back" deal for the past two years. The result? They can't run the ****ing football and they're sitting at home on February 7th.

Originally Posted by O.city

And I don’t remember saying that about Mahomes but I’ve been wrong before probably will be again

I can pull up the post if you'd like