Nick Wright on what Super Bowl LV means for Mahomes

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

How does that perception change had they won the WS in 2014 and then lost in the WS in 2015? In hindsight, it's easy to say we would have loved each playoff run equally, but losing game 7 in 2014 didn't get me down in the slightest (and I was there, on the 3rd base side watching the pop up in front of that dugout come down)..... but, if they had won in '14, losing in '15 would probably sting a bit?

Same for the Chiefs.... how does the perception change if the Chiefs lost in in the AFCCG, then lost in the SB last year, then won the SB this year (vs Brady or not)?

Less hype surrounding the Chiefs and Mahomes, a little more pressure to win it all and the whole "can Mahomes get it done this year" thing... but, then both losses become "part of the journey" and the win is "that much sweeter".

The dumb narratives change, even if the results are just in a different order and don't mean anything at all.

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by wazu

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

I relate to this. I remember trying to fall asleep after seeing Salvy pop up (turned off the TV. Never actually saw Fat Panda catch it until after we won in 2015, lol) so bummed out that this Cinderella team had made it so far, only to fall short. It was as if Inigo Montoya has actually been killed by Count Rugen. 2015 was so unexpectedly awesome, honestly I can probably go another ten years of the Royals sucking since we have 2015 in the bank.


This SB loss is what I imagine a Warriors fan felt like when they lost to Lebron. Much more “welp, would’ve loved to have won that but we’ll be back”. It’s not an exact comp since it’s much easier for a great team in the NBA to get back to a finals but I’m certainly more excited about next season than I am crushed about this one.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by wazu

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

Yeah, I 100% have that mindset with the Chiefs.... as angry as the officiating made me the other night, the loss didn't really upset me all that much. I'm old, I've seen some shit... tip your cap and move on.... and yeah, as long as Mahomes is healthy and a Chief and the organization isn't ridiculously incompetent, they'll be in the conversation just about every year.

I just think the perception out there with the legacy BS, he gets hyped up to the point that he's invincible, so people are quick to tear him down. As a fan, getting that first SB win does take off a ton of nervousness and what not.


And yeah, it's hard to explain with the '14 Royals... maybe just because I had lost my interest in them for a long while at that point. I had listened to them on the radio as a kid, baseball was the only sport I didn't completely suck at for a while, collected baseball cards, the whole bit.... and then I kind of watched some in '13 and IIRC didn't really start paying attention until at least mid-season '14.

So, as opposed to someone following the team through those years who may have seen at least a playoff appearance coming (of course, no one saw the WS thing coming), it was a weird mix of like jumping on a bandwagon for a few months, but for a long lost love. I wasn't worried about the end result, I was just happy to have it back in my life, heh.

I tried to approach '15 with the same mentality and watched every game possible that year... but, of course everyone knew that was it after that season, so not winning it that year would have stung a bit since it was so damn fun to watch.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by wazu

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by tk13

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

Absolutely. The broken structure of the MLB had basically eliminated all hope for us. But the Royals still beat the system. In the NFL we've always known that at the end of the day, at least it's a level playing field. Everybody has the same amount of money. Win or lose, it's on you.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by tk13

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

Great point. In football, with the cap, if you have a great QB you're probably going to be great. Small markets like KC, Green Bay and Indianapolis have proved that time and time again. No such thing in baseball. Hell, the Royals had the "great QB" in 2009 and barely avoided losing 100 games.

What we saw in 2014/2015 was extremely rare and not likely to be repeated for some time.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Great point. In football, with the cap, if you have a great QB you're probably going to be great. Small markets like KC, Green Bay and Indianapolis have proved that time and time again. No such thing in baseball. Hell, the Royals had the "great QB" in 2009 and barely avoided losing 100 games.

What we saw in 2014/2015 was extremely rare and not likely to be repeated for some time.

Yeah, and I think if we hadn't lost Yordano they would have had a better shot at the playoffs in 17. He had pitched pretty well in the second half of 16 and seemed to be on the upswing.